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Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 04:58:25PM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote:
> On 2013-10-14 10:06, Sven Luther wrote:
> > [...]
> >>> I don't know upto what point you are familiar with my history and its link to the powerpc
> >>> port, but it pains me to see that the powerpc port is left with so few porters, and that it 
> >>> may mean the port being dropped. I also have not really followed the mailing lists since 
> >>> a long time, and don't know who is actually managing the powerpc port, but giving the (1) and 
> >>> 0.5 remark, i guess there is not a full porter.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am not familiar with your history, so I cannot comment on that part.
> > 
> > I was kicked out of debian 7 years ago, due to a personal conflict with a couple of other DDs.
> > 
> > I have left this behind me, and i think 7 years is enough for everyone to let this behind it, 
> > and 6 month ago, i was allowed again to post on debian lists, and there apparently was no 
> > negative feedback on that.
> > 
> > Still I don't want to cause problems, even though i had one nice return to my mail which warmed 
> > my hearth, so before you add me or something, could you please check with the DPL or ask on
> > debian-private or something to be sure this is ok. If you like more details please ask some other
> > DDs who were there at the time, i think it is not my place to speak about it, and as said, it is
> > history for me.
> > 
> I haven't brought this up on d-private nor with the DPL, nor have I any
> intention of doing so.  I have no desire in ripping up old wounds; sorry.

No problem, i was maybe beeing over-cautious, i suggested this just so we double check that there is no opposition to it.

>   If you have been unbanned (as you seem to claim) it sounds like you
> have been given another chance.  At this time, I have no reason to
> second-guess that.  So, if you can work with the current powerpc porters


> (and they with you), I see no reason to stand in your way of working
> with them.

Well, as long as there is nobody else who will feel bad about this, i am fine with it.

>   Obviously, I cannot promise you it will be easy or anything.  If your
> stigmata is as bad as you suggest, you risk "doing twice the work for
> half the pay"[1] - not to mention having "tread lighter" than everyone
> else to avoid restarting the old conflict (or a fueling new one).

Bah, it was 7 years ago, i hope those who had problems with me can but it aside, or whatever.

Also, notice that back then, i didn't actually start the problems, but was the victim of it. True, i reacted badly to it, 
but i never started any problem. That said, it took me many years to come over it, which probably explains my 
over-cautious ways now.

>   If you are ready and willing to work under these conditions; good,
> please roll up your sleeves and get started.  If not, well, I wouldn't
> hold it against you, but then that is pretty much "end-of-discussion"
> for me.
> >>  [...]
> >>
> >>> So given that, and provided debian may not see a problem again in me becoming active, i may
> >>> be interested in becoming active again as powerpc maintainer. Not sure what category you 
> >>> can include me in though, and what the formalities would be should i become active (and welcome)
> >>> in debian again.
> >>
> >> Assuming you can work with the current powerpc porter(s), I believe
> >> there should be no issue adding you as a non-DD porter for now.  For
> >> now, I have not added you to my list, but feel free to let me know if I
> >> should ammend it.
> > 
> > Well, i will most assuredly have no problem with working with anyone of good will, if you gave me
> > (privately) the name of the porter and other volunteers, i could contact them to make sure they 
> > have no trouble with me (but back then i don't think there was any powerpc people with whom i had 
> > bad contact too, quite the contrary).
> > 
> The names of the porters were included in my original "Results of the
> porter roll call" mail (see the attachment), so they are already public
> available.

Ah, sorry, i missed that.

> Debian should have a powerpc porterbox.  However, I believe you will
> need a DD to sign off on you getting a guest account for those.  I won't
> be able to help you here though.  Alternatively, some of the other ppc
> porters might have an unofficial porterbox you can use.

Will check with them.

> ~Niels
> [1] I suppose this is especially true if you want to become a DD.

Well, this may be too early as of yet, and too go to this point, i would need to make sure there is no opposition
to this. Let's make sure that the powerpc port is in good shape for now.


Sven Luther

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