Re: Recent posts to -powerpc*
Hi Sven
My mail to you was not sent to the list. At least respect to official
code of conduct and don't quote private mail on list!
It was not sent to you in private because I don't stand by my words, but
because this is off-topic on debian-powerpc!
On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:56:45PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:49:20PM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> > Hi Sven
> >
> > In due respect, but this post is totally inappropriate for
> > debian-powerpc. Stop this or at least take it elsewhere!
>
> Where ?
I'd suggest private mail. Or even better not sending any mails about
things you have already said thousand times, especially as like you said
you have better things to do.
>
> Gaudenz, what i am surprised, is that you don't consider Don's mail to
> be totally inappropriate for anything but extreme facist organisations,
> which i never believed debian would become.
>
> I have tried to do the work nobody else was doing, and to help the
> powerpc port out of its total disregard by those other DDs who want to
> get rid of me, but to no avail. It is not my fault that things are still
> such a mess, i have been trying to lobby both our DPL and the DAMs to
> give a mediated attempt a chance since may, but they have only arrogant
> and insulting replies to this.
>
> Don't you think we all have better things to do than continue this
> in-fighting ? If you dislike this kind of in-fighting, then please help
If you do have better things to do, then please do so!
As I definitely have better things to do, this is my last public post on
this subject.
Gaudenz
> us to get it solved, and lobby the DPL (on a public list, so he cannot
> ignore it) to get a mediation going, so we can finally all go back to
> fixing bugs and working on debian, and let these wounds heal.
>
> I may be able to forgive all those who hurt me, but they have to stop
> the attacks and show at least the semblance of remorse and a will to
> normalize relationships.
>
> Oh, and for your information, this is the second time that the d-i team
> has rejected my participation in the d-i irc meeting, in order to speak
> about normalization of relationships, and the future of the d-i port.
>
> Sadly,
>
> Sven Luther
>
> > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 11:07:44PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote:
> > > On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 01:41:16PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > > > Your recent series of posts to -powerpc[1] are a continuation of the
> > > > style of interactions which lead to your being banned from the mailing
> > > > lists and which made the decision to allow you to post to -powerpc
> > > > again very difficult for listmaster@ to make.
> > >
> > > The recent comments from people like Joerg, Sam and Michael Blank, which
> > > where of extreme unsensibility and outright insult, are a continuation
> > > of the style of interaction which made this mess escalate to the point
> > > we see now. Not a single tentative of communication, but insulting and
> > > denigrating comments, menaces, and punishement.
> > >
> > > Furthermore, the recent decision of Bastian Blank, to expulse me from
> > > the kernel team, was justified by no reason at all. The kernel team
> > > expresses continuity of "problems", without being able to cite any of
> > > those, and i am aware of no dispute opposing me to the kernel team at
> > > all or any such event which could be considered as continutity of said
> > > problems.
> > >
> > > As such, i am again a victim of bad behaviour of key debian developers,
> > > and the response i make, is well within the scope of the -powerpc list.
> > >
> > > The kernel team has decided to expulse me, and the work i was currently
> > > doing for the powerpc kernel, both on the PS3 front and on the efika
> > > front. They have further used the efika patches as a reason for this
> > > expulsion, while they refused any reasonable discussion, and once
> > > investigated, the reason they gave, where unfunded and arbitrary. There
> > > is currently a Tech-ctte bug open on this issue, and we will have to
> > > wait for their result :
> > >
> > > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=439006
> > >
> > > Efika and PS3 support is a demand being present on the d-i meeting,
> > > mentioned by otavio and joey hess in recent times.
> > >
> > > > E-mails which denigrate others and rehash issues which have little to
> > > > no relationship to what -powerpc is doing vacates the trust that we
> > > > (and others) have voiced against vocal opposition that you would be
> > > > able to contribute positively to this list.
> > >
> > > Ok, reality check here. This is bullshit. I was the pillar of the
> > > debian-powerpc lists for almost 8 years, and i deny you the right to ban
> > > me from this list, especially given the total lack of support from
> > > debian for the powerpc port since the witch-hunt against me started over
> > > a year and a half ago, even though i made considerable effort to
> > > encourage a replacement, and help both Colin and Wouter as best i could.
> > >
> > > I remain to this days, the debian powerpc port leader, and i have a
> > > responsability to my users, even if the rest of debian doesn't care
> > > about the social contract, and if debian is ready to kill the powerpc
> > > port in order to get at me.
> > >
> > > I have been trying to push for a mediation and an effort at conciliation
> > > since around may now, and have been getting only haughty and insulting
> > > response from debian, from a small vocal minority who claims to speak
> > > for debian even though they have the support of at best 5% of the
> > > developership, and make insulting claims of those being the "Developers
> > > that count", which is an insult to every other DD out there who
> > > contributes in his due time, and wants nothing else than that we settle
> > > this mess in human and decent way and that we all can get back to work.
> > >
> > > > If this sort of issue continues, the alternative is once again making
> > > > the ban complete, and requiring that you send messages to -powerpc
> > > > through another individual who agrees that your message is a positive
> > > > contribution.
> > >
> > > Indeed, but this kind of behaviour is acceptable against me from
> > > everyone else, right ? I didn't see you guys commenting on all those who
> > > insulted me all over the lists while i was banned, or making any single
> > > comment on irc. Furthermore, just look at what happened on the DM
> > > discussions on debian-vote, and you will see that what you reproach to
> > > me is commonplace in debian.
> > >
> > > So, sorry, listmasters, but the day that debian decides to accept a
> > > mediation, and work toward a conciliation, you will have something to
> > > say, but until then you have no right to extend such threath and
> > > humiliation. It is not me who is responsible of what happens, but those
> > > select few in debian who make everything possible to make my debian
> > > contribution pure hell, and who always resort to insults and
> > > humiliation, and calumny, but once faced with actual facts, go away with
> > > EOD.
> > >
> > > Fellow debian-powerpc readers, i am sorry that this is not yet solved,
> > > but the debian leadership has no intention of letting this issue rest,
> > > and i guess the only way to get this issue solved is by a public outcry
> > > at these fascist methods of censorship and menace, anbd clamour for a
> > > normalization of relationship, so that we can finally, after over a year
> > > and a half, let this issue behind us, and all go back to happily coding
> > > for the best of the debian distribution we love and are proud of.
> > >
> > > Sad that this continues to this day, and that all those debian
> > > developers who say "they are the only ones that count" cannot understand
> > > nothing but menaces and censorship, and have no compassion or human
> > > decency.
> > >
> > > Sadly,
> > >
> > > Sven Luther
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > --
> > Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter.
> > Try again. Fail again. Fail better.
> > ~ Samuel Beckett ~
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