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Re: if you care about debian on powerpc, please react ...

Hi all,

I am just a two machines user (I use it every day, thought) of Debian PPC and theoreticaly I tend to agree with Jan Stedehouderwrote but in this particular real life case I believe Fabio Rabelo is absolutely wrigth: Without Sven Luther there is no Debian PPC.

Gunther Furtado

Sorry, but I disagree completely !!!
I am an occasional user of Debian PPC too, just 3 machines right now .
But I listen to this list for more than 4 years, and the ONLY one who 
contribute with usable patches do d-i  IS exactly Mr. Sven Luther !!!
Without him there is no such thing called "Debian PPC" !!!!

Fábio Rabelo
Hi to all,

I am only a casual user of Debian on the PPC and hardly in a position to 
judge, to opinionate or to choose. It is easy to choose for the first 
one that speaks, but as my mother used to say: "when two are fighting, 
two are to blame".  Maybe my mother had the kind of simple wisdom that 
all involved in this conflict could begin with.

Conflicts of this kind in volunteer driven projects are not uncommon and 
this one will most likely not be the last. They stem from the same 
desire and urge to deliver the best result possible, which is great. But 
when there is no agreement the discussion can be a heated one and in the 
end harm the project in which all parties have an emotional stake. This 
project is no different.

Simply put, if a conflict can not be resolved peacefully, if no 
substantiated blame is available and if all involved threaten the future 
perspective of Debian PPC, then I see only one solution for the 
community: to remove both parties from the project. It might be painfull 
in the short run, but highly beneficial in the long run.

I wish you all a lot of wisdom

Jan Stedehouder

Sven Luther schreef:
> Hi, ...
> As some of you may have noticed, there is an ugly dispute going on between
> some few d-i team members (Frans Pop and Joey Hess mostly, but Geert and
> Holger also seem to support them), and which result in a over 6 month old
> dispute who is not even near to being resolved, despite numerous and various
> attempts to do so on my part. I have documented this issue somewhat on :
>   http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FransPopAndOthersVs%2eSvenLutherIssue
> But despite these numerous attempts on my part to resolve this issue, and the
> numerous patches and fixes i have provided to not let the powerpc d-i rot and
> become more broken, there seem to be a clear will on the part of Frans Pop to
> take the powerpc users hostage in his warfar against me, and there are a
> number of patches which are now submitted since a few weeks, and which where
> not applied. As an example let's take the following bug : 
>   http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=394971
>   #394971: rootskel: [powerpc64] load the fan control modules.
> Which was submited 29 days ago, with a patch and not commited.
> Furthemore, when i did myself an upload on sunday, which included the patch
> and fixed the bug report, Frans didn't incorporate the change, but reverted it
> today.
> As thus, in the current conditions, i fear for the support of d-i on powerpc
> for the etch release, and thus the quality of the release. I strongly urge you
> all to sign the petition to get this issue solved on :
>   http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FransPopvsSvenLutherIssue/SvenLutherSupport
> Since you are all kind of held hostage over this petty dispute, by them
> stopping me to do work on d-i for powerpc, and in general wasting too much
> time on this matter, time i could spend working generally on the powerpc port.
> Friendly,
> Sven Luther

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