Re: possibly boot hangs refers to other devices ???
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:54:24 -0700, brian wrote:
> hi,
>
> i have to be honest all is not rosy either with my
> pismo/g4-550.
> (runs testing with weekly update)
To clarify for others who might find this post via Google, you are
referring to a PowerBook G3 Series (2000) that shipped with either a
400MHz or a 500MHz G3 processor which was removed and a 550MHz G4 soldered
in its place.
> i have gotten boot hangs intermittently that indicated
> to
> me correctly that the combo drive needed reseating.
> however yesterday it was hanging at usb, but
> apparently the
> same issue. also in macos i had my firewire connection
> hanging,
> was obsessing over that cables/connectors could be bad
> until
> i recalled this.
>
> on my old world powerbook i recently reported hangs on
> scsi.
> it ocurrs to me that there i have a dummy module that
> is sometimes in the cd compartment. i would perhaps go
> and
> put this back in and see if that hanging goes away.
> before
> i reported that i would try rebooting cold rather than
> from
> within the bootx control panel - that is the way bootx
> as
> i understand gives you two means of boot, as startup
> using
> extension which loads early so bypassing possible
> xtension conflict.
If you really want to bypass extensions when using BootX, boot with the
Shift key and use the Control Panel.
> yes, well it seems to work but it could be cd as much
> as anything,
> not necessarily a fancy extension. anyway i realize i
> am not
> so fond of rebooting, but now come to think of it i
> have
> recently noticed that the cd did not click when i put
> it in
> so much as once did - perhaps that is why i stopped
> interchanging
> with the dummy thing. but moving these laptops around
> i
> found in the pismo it easily comes dis-seated.
>
> anyway, anybody else please share if you have had
> experiences of this kind. everybody always would dump
> on scsi interference but apparently i wonder if pci
> can also
> cause such. since i don't use the combo that much
> i could either put a battery or a dummy in pismo right
> side
> if i got something - thus force me to seat the drive
> prior
> to using it. [true enough, tho on my beige g3 after
> replacing
> some old scsci stuff finally got this 10/100 pci card
> to
> working that wasn't even supposed to work at all (this
> is not yet in debian but i hope soon)]
Really? Which 10/100 card is that?
> btw please tell me if firewire is really a separate
> bus from
The FireWire interface is on the PCI bus.
> pci. why did my pismo think in debian that it was
> scsci and
FireWire can be thought of as "serial SCSI" because of the similarity in
communication protocols. It's no wonder then, that Linux SCSI handling
code also handles FireWire. Some of the same code is also used for USB
storage devices, even though USB protocols are very different.
> be extremely slow - is that due to change. i wish i
> had a
> way to make backup, even if i have not figured how to
> boot off it yet at least on my old world powerbook i
> have a backup on scsi - which i could copy back with
> parted from an emergency boot cd if my disk died.
> (btw - this means right now debian install cd for ow.
> for nw i can use a gentoo live cd; have used these for
> resizing and when i oops the kernel update - or even
> to
> create the backup in the first place)
>
> am putting a lot of work into these systems, don't
> feel
> like starting over. have to take care of them well.
BTW, I hope you resist the temptation to use BootX on your Pismo. The
Wallstreet was the last OldWorld laptop (no USB). The Lombard and
subsequent models need yaboot.
> oftentimes i think there is a gap in debian that needs
> closing; would like more discussion on this already
> high
> traffic list regards having to set up and maintain
> "stable"
> development platforms here on powerpc. you know what
> i am saying, i hope, i am trying to get involved in
> package
> development as representing powerpc, with adequate
> self
> respect about it. i also know its a busy time, next
> year
> should be easier ???
>
>
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