Re: hfs boot floppy versions
On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 01:14:10PM +0100, Christian Müller wrote:
> >Mmm, ... investigating, it seems that for some obscure reason miboot was no
> >more executable, fixed, so tomorrows build should be ok.
>
> Thanks, I'll give them a try. Will the floppy come out when asking for
> root.bin?
It will do the right thing, as it should, obviously.
> >Joeyh, i think i want to get ride of the else copy, and *NOT* build those
> >miboot floppies for the official realeses, since they caused more harm than
> >help for the sarge release.
> >
> >
> If a boot floppy without the miboot part would be of any use to someone,
> you might as well keep the else branch - as for the official releases,
> is it really such a problem to have people test such a disk on some
> machines before including it in, say sarge? There is two logical ways
> one can go to get something stable, a) don't include it b) test it. I'm
> asking this in curiousity, as I really can't imagine - not to piss
> someone off. If you decide to include stuff without having done b)
> sufficiently, than *please*, at least put a bold README onto those
> floppy directorys warning that this is untested, maybe with some
> pointers to discussion threads (speaking of the official stable sarge
> dist) and bugs that are known about.
That is beside the point. The miboot stuff wasn't included for legal reasons,
and i don't even understand why it was included in woody. There is no issue of
testing involved here, and it is rather desobliging of you to even suggest it,
which i think will not endear our cause to anybody involved.
If you had bothered to check the mailing list archive of both debian-boot
and/or debian-powerpc, you would have noticed numerous posts about this
selfsame issue going back over a year, please go and read them, and then
appreciate the rather consequent work we all invested in this issue for mostly
old and obsolet hardware nobody uses anyway, and then i expect you to show a
bit more humility next time. What have you done yourself, downloaded a couple
of floppies without even investigating the issues, and made wild claims ?
> >>unlike the old 2.4 images, or those 2.2 images from woody (which I
> >>obviously can't forget as each newer boot set seems to get worse - or
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Please, consider that we are all helping you out of our own free time, and
> >the
> >last you could do is stay polite and stop denigrating our work without
> >knowledge of what is going on and such. Also, if you had filed a proper bug
> >report, like asked on the debian-installer page, instead of random rants,
> >it
> >would have helped us find the issue earlier.
> >
> >
>
> Please, consider that testing things takes time too and it's also done
> on my free time, I did not at all intend to denigrate your work or the
It sounded highly like it.
> like. In fact I'm using it and I wan't to get it as useful again as it
> was, in the points I criticized. I am thankful for what is done and
Well, there was a bug, its fixed now, thanks for reporting it, but that
doesn't give you right to speak about the work of all the debian-installer
team in such tones.
> understand that kernel changes/dist upgrades take time and nerves. It's
> frustrating to see how dedicated people work on beautiful stuff that in
> the end can't be put to work, since they do not seem to have a little
> patience with their testers. Both of our time is put to better use
It's also interesting to see how wanabe-testers don't know how to use google
or read mailing list archives :)
That said, it is well possible that the sarge release notes didn't mention
this, in which case it is a bug in the sarge release notes, and the right way
is to file a bug report against it (installer probably, maybe www.debian.org),
but not to come complaining at me in private. But in any case, i am not sure
you checked those release notes and erratas.
> fixing+testing things than ranting each other. Let us concentrate on
> the rational parts.
Yep, from which your petty complaints distracted me :)
> So, while sending problems to /dev/null might be comfortable, there just
> might be more fun in helping each other out.
And, have i not been helpful ? Have i not fixed the issue now ? And you will
see when you investigate google with previous posts on the subject that i
account for at least half of those posts.
> ps: i'll have a look at the debian-installer page
Good idea :)
> pps: if you decide for /dev/null please let me know, so that I won't
> keep sending you mails you won't read
Just write the lists instead of private mail, this way other which had similar
problems than you a month ago could have helped.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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