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Re: {VIRUS?} hi

			SeeSat-L info

SeeSat-L is the Internet mailing list for *visual* satellite observers. 

The mailing list operates with two specific addresses and an additional 
list of subscribers.  The EXPLOSIVE address for SeeSat-L is
SeeSat-L@satobs.org .  When you send mail to the EXPLOSIVE address, 
the SmartList software will make hundreds of copies of the message and
send all of them to the entire list of subscribers.  

The ADMINISTRATIVE address for SeeSat-L is 
SeeSat-L-request@satobs.org . When you send mail to the 
administrative address, it will be interpreted as commands for 
SmartList and will be a transaction private to you and the list 
Possible commands are e.g. subscribe, unsubscribe, information or 
archive requests.

To SUBSCRIBE to Seesat-L, simply send a message with the word "subscribe"
in the SUBJECT: field to "Seesat-L-request@satobs.org"

To UNSUBSCRIBE from SeeSat-L, simply send a message with the word (you
guessed it :-) "unsubscribe" in the Subject: field to 

In the event of an address change, it would probably be the wisest to 
first send an unsubscribe for the old address (this can be done from the 
new address), and then a new subscribe to the new address (the order is 

Most (un)subscription requests are processed automatically without human

Do not send multiple (un)subscription or info requests in one message.  
Only one will be processed per message.

NOTE: The -request server usually does quite a good job in discriminating
      between (un)subscribe requests and messages intended for the 
      If you'd like to make sure a human reads your message, make it look
      like a reply (i.e. the first word in the Subject: field should be 
      "Re:", without the quotes of course); the -request server does not
      react to replies, but the human behind SeeSat-L does :-)

                       SeeSat-L in digest form: SeeSat-D

If you're weary of receiving several messages per day, you might consider
subscribing to the digest form of SeeSat-L instead of to SeeSat-L itself.
The digest form is called SeeSat-D. It is identical to SeeSat-L, except 
that the digest is sent out twice a day or if the submissions exceed 32 Kb.

To SUBSCRIBE to Seesat-D, simply send a message with the word "subscribe"
in the SUBJECT: field to "Seesat-D-request@satobs.org"

To UNSUBSCRIBE from SeeSat-D, simply send a message with the word (you
guessed it :-) "unsubscribe" in the Subject: field to 

You can also receive a help-file more or less specific to SeeSat-D, by
sending a message with the word "help" in the Subject: field to

                           SeeSat-L posting 'rules'
SeeSat-L was created and intended to be a low-to-moderate volume mailing
list with high information content. 

A mailing list is a cooperative enterprise between 3 classes of entity, 
the medium, the posters and the readers.  The systems that transport the 
messages have to do their part to forward the messages.  The posters have 
to post interesting, valuable stuff.  The readers have to read the good 
stuff.  Anything else is a 'net crime'. 
When you post, you are responsible for upholding your part of the bargain, 
providing material the readers can benefit from.  A certain number of 
"beginner" questions have a value, because the answers may inform those 
too shy or too reticent to ask and because they help to define the areas 
of interest.  Too many such questions, and especially repetitive 
questions, not only don't carry such value, but drive away readers, thus 
damaging the list as a whole. Before posting, it might be a good idea to 
look at some of the Internet pointers mentioned below. SeeSat-L now has
a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) page: http://www.satobs.org/faq.html

The pointers on WWW mentioned below should be a good starting 
point. If you have questions after reading some of those documents, 
feel free to post them to SeeSat-L.

We wouldn't ask you to raise huskies so you could sled thru the Yukon
looking for data or answers, but we ourselves fill all those mailboxes 
only when we can't think of a reasonable alternative. 
We would like to ask you not to post off-topic messages to SeeSat-L.  
Also  not to comment on off-topic posting, except to the listowner
(admin@satobs.org). So what is considered 'on-topic' then? 
Discussions about any aspect of visual (!) satellite observing are 
welcome  of course, but the endless and inane bickering so frequently 
observed on Usenet is not. New data (orbital elements, etc...) or news 
about  satellites is welcome, as are reports of observations (very 
much!). But try to avoid reporting too many 'I saw this satellite' 
without any 'added value' to it. 

Try to avoid using large .sig files.  As you may know, the netiquette 
maximum is 4 lines.  If you quote previous posts, please only quote the
parts relevant to your reply. Most people get pretty solid e-mail 
service, so that you can assume they have read the post you're replying

SeeSat-L is read by many busy people and we try to respect the time it
takes  them to read messages, by not asking them to read repetitive or 
unproductive material. 

We recognize that at times, we may be a bit over concerned about the
welfare of "our baby". So don't take all this too seriously, but rather 
as some goals that should be pursued. And if you have some goodie that 
people will want to know about ASAP, for Pete's sake, post it.  :-)

             Some pointers to Visual Satellite Observing on Internet

If you have World Wide Web (WWW) access, the best entry point is found
at the Visual Satellite Observers Home Page (VSOHP) which contains 
information about all aspects of the visual satellite observing hobby. 
Many pointers can be found to other sites on WWW. The VSOHP is located 
at http://www.satobs.org/satintro.html

SeeSat-L also has a home page on WWW where all new messages on SeeSat-L
are archived: http://www.satobs.org/seesat/seesatindex.html

Finally, if your WWW access is limited, you can use the 
SeeSat-L-request e-mail archive server. It also contains the SeeSat-L 
archive of messages, and quite a lot of software and information files 
about visual satellite observing.

			The e-mail SeeSat-L archive server
Every submission sent to the list is archived on WWW. The e-mail archive 
contains the most recent 1000 messages.

You can look at the header of every message coming from this list to see
under what name it has been archived.  The X-Mailing-List: field contains
the mail address of the list and the file in which this submission was

If you want to access this archive, you have to send messages to the
REQUEST address: "SeeSat-L-request@satobs.org" with the word "archive" as
the first word of your SUBJECT: field.

To get you started try sending a message to "SeeSat-L-request@satobs.org" 
with the following words 'archive help' in the SUBJECT: field.

You will then receive an extensive text on the commands available at the
archive server. It is, for example possible to search through the archive
of SeeSat-L messages.


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