On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:43:21PM -0700, Jason E. Stewart wrote: > "Branden Robinson" <branden@debian.org> writes: > > > Out of curiosity, do you regard *this* message as a flame? > > No, happily, this is one the more reasoned replies you made, thanks. My message to Sr. Climent was no more inflammatory than my reply to you. > I would like to know what your intent was. Did you wish to express > anger? It is true that I was upset, but I was attempting to suppress that and craft a message with more worthwhile content. > Did you wish to make people on this list aware that Jesus was > not giving you (and possibly others) credit? To some extent. > Was it your desire to educate someone to better understand the > complicated IP issues around copyright? Mostly. > I'm kind of surprised that all of this happened over a WWW site > designed to help people install linux on a laptop. Nobody stands to > gain any prestige or money from putting together such resources. For me, it isn't about prestige or money, though I can't speak to the motivations of others. > Why make a big public stink? [...] I don't send private mail -- especially unsolicited private mail -- unless I have something private to say. My page was public, his page was public, so I saw no reason for a discussion of those public resources to be private. > >From my (limited) experience, you've done a lot of amazingly excellent > work for the debian community, but you also have an attitude of > greeting people at the door with both guns drawn - not a particularly > warm greeting. If that's how you wish to be perceived, then > continue. However, it will certainly have consequences such as > potentially alienating people like Jesus who have an honest desire to > help, but get greeted by one of your full-frontal-assaults. Sr. Climent and I seem to have recitifed the issue. Both are pages are back up. In any case, I think you exaggerate with your analogy. I made it very clear to Sr. Climent that he didn't need to feel any sort of threat from me. If I wanted to be a real prick I'd have whined about "copyright infringement" and made a lot of nasty noise about how it's "illegal" to appropriate someone else's work, and so on and so forth. But I don't do that, because only pricks deal with people that way except as a matter of last resort when the stakes are very, very high. That wasn't the case here. What we have in Debian is a community, and we can, for the most part, keep legalistic, lawyerly nonsense out of things if we have social norms that we respect instead -- like respect for authorship, and citations of one's sources. That is what I was attempting to uphold, in my likely ham-fisted way. Debian is also about openness (Social Contract, clause 3 -- I think it should apply to more than just the BTS). If you feel that raising the issue publicly at all was a breach of propriety, then we must agree to disagree. Since we're egregiously off-topic now, I ask that any followup go to me privately, or to the debian-project mailing list; the latter in particular if people feel like discussing a social theory of Debian. -- G. Branden Robinson | Debian GNU/Linux | Ignorantia judicis est calamitas branden@debian.org | innocentis. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ |
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