are there deb's of the jdk? I would imagin that guavac is in there so i could compile my programs but are there any vm's? ---- Logan "O God of Earth and Altar, Bow down and hear our cry, Our earthly rulers falter, Our people drift and die, The walls of gold entomb us, The swords of scorn divide, Take not thy thunder from us, But take away our pride." -G.K.Chesterton: English Hymnal