On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 04:08:28PM +0000, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > I must *strongly* protest the creation of new webpages that are not > accessible, and requiring ECMAscript is preventing all Lynx users from > accessing it. Actually, no, I think you must not, or at the very least not *strongly*. Simply because you're not doing the work yourself. I think you should rather first of all say thanks for the work done. And then report a bug against nm.debian.org stating that "it would be nice/better if" the site would also work for a different use case than those it has been written for (i.e. FrontDesk needs, according to Enrico's mail). Adding a patch would be nice too. Especially, if you consider that all the information we are talking about is already accessible, and has been for a while, from a different page, as discussed elsewhere in this thread. Don't get me wrong: I'm all for accessibility on the web, avoiding JavaScript wherever possible, etc. But it's really rather depressing to see a thread where quite important changes to the NM process --- like reducing substantially, and smartly, its bureaucracy --- are neglected in favor of complaints against the lack of accessibility in information which are, in fact, accessible anyhow. That's really the mother of all nitpicking. Enrico is an old timer and surely doesn't need me to write this, but try to put yourself in his shoes. You spent time in developing and deploying an nm.d.o improvement which, unfortunately, it's not perfect. It's not accessible at it should _yet_ but it is still an improvement for your and your co-workers' work-flows. All the answers you get are "it's not accessible, yada yada". I don't think that would motivate you in spending extra time on improving the code further. If that's true, the net result is that it would likely _diminish_ the chances that the accessibility issue get sorted out. Which is probably not the achievement we are looking for. Not to mention the new Debian members that are the reason why this list exists. If they happen to lurk on a thread like this one, a likely take away message they will learn is that incremental improvements are not welcome in the Debian infrastructure (or at least not on nm.d.o). Either it's perfect from day 0, or it's not worth sharing --- *unless* you're ready to accept criticism for the non-ready part and zero thanks for the ready-part. This rant of mine (sorry!) is not about politeness for the sake of it or dreaming of Debian as a teddy-bear-style happy family, it's plain pragmatism: in a volunteer project how we discuss is as important as what we discuss, because in the long run it affects our ability to attract and retain talented contributors. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} . o . Maître de conférences ...... http://upsilon.cc/zack ...... . . o Debian Project Leader ....... @zack on identi.ca ....... o o o « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club »
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