also sprach Steve Langasek <firstname.lastname@example.org> [2010.02.16.1745 +1300]: > But your advocation mail seems to break down into: > > - other DDs who've sponsored him are happy with his work > - you've uploaded one of his packages and it was good > - he's active on lists > > The first is hearsay; the second, by your own admission, is > insufficient on its own to warrant advocacy; and the third is not > a reason to approve someone as a DD. Mailing list activity is not > something we should select for in project membership! I am in a difficult situation because all of my conduct with Ben has been positive, but I received a lot of backlash over my decision to advocate him. I have not been very active reading the lists that Ben frequents for a while. I also have to admit that Ben was not among those with inappropriate conduct that I remember from before I stopped following the lists. In the light of this, I am obliged to RETRACT my advocation for the time being. Given the feedback (and shit) I received in response to my advocation, I have sought and read much of what Ben has contributed to Debian, leaving me with the following conclusion: - I think Ben is technically skilled, but there are areas where he can improve. While it might have been acceptable in the past e.g. not to understand precisely how source packages work, we are continuously growing in size and complexity, requiring increasing excellence in technical matters on the side of those with write access to the archive. - It is true that not all his packages are in an excellent state, which one might expect from someone applying for membership. We have plenty of carelessness on the side of members already, so a new member should go through great lengths to convince us that we are not risking to increase that level of carelessness. - His style of communication seems to rub some people strongly who have much credit to their name from their contributions in Debian. I suggest for Ben to take a lesson from that and consider the differences between his public conduct and his private correspondence (which in my case has never been a problem). At this point I would like to thank everyone who took the time to write in privately. - We have the DM status, which will let Ben do everything that he is currently doing. There is no immediate need for Ben to become a Debian Developer (with more duties, responsibilities, and privileges attached), and I recommend he address these publicly voiced concerns before applying again. Sorry for my mistake, and the extra work it has caused you. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <email@example.com> Related projects: : :' : proud Debian developer http://debiansystem.info `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck http://vcs-pkg.org `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems *** important disclaimer: by sending an email to any address, that will eventually cause it to end up in my inbox without much interaction, you are agreeing that: - i am by definition, "the intended recipient" - all information in the email is mine to do with as i see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. in particular, i may quote it on usenet. - i may take the contents as representing the views of your company. - this overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.
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