On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 02:09:52PM +0100, Thomas Friedrichsmeier wrote: > Hi Bart, > > I've been sitting here, for an hour, pondering whether I should actually hit > "Send". I admit I have difficulty trying to understand your reasons, and I'm > beginning to doubt that these rest in the subject matter, itself. > > Perhaps you simply disagree with the concept of DM, in general. Or perhaps > this matter simply became personal somewhere along the road. Perhaps I've used > some unlucky wording, somewhere, or perhaps I've missed some subtle hints from > your side. If so, please accept my apologies. Also, please excuse that bit of > sarcasm, in the second half. I know that's crossing a line. But I really *am* > failing to find different words. > > So, perhaps this mail does *not* make things better. But I happen to care > about this, too, and so here's my reply: > > On Friday 16 November 2012, Bart Martens wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:32:29AM +0100, Thomas Friedrichsmeier wrote: > > > So far the only result has been a new bug report against my package, and > > > some controversy around how to handle this > > > > The easy way would have been to upload a fix for bug 689982 in unstable and > > request an unblock. Instead you questioned and lowered the severity of the > > bug, and uploaded a newer upstream release to unstable, so now it's more > > difficult to get the bug fixed in wheezy. > > I'll fill in a few blanks, for you: > > - I have added a first reply to the bug report within 100 *minutes* after you > filed it. In this initial feedback, I pointed you to a preview of my fix, > *and* I stated explicitly, that I intended to upload a new upstream release, > first, *and* that I did not agree with severity serious. > - After four days without any reply, I went ahead and lowered severity to > "normal", with a more elaborate explanation, and with you on CC. > - After twelve more days without any reply, I went ahead, and uploaded the new > upstream release, as announced. > > Up to this point, I had *no* indication, whatsoever, that you did not agree > with my assessment. > > - On the same day (Octobor, 24), I contacted you in PM, asking whether you > would be willing to help me with upload permissions, now. > - I did receive a reply, this time. In entirety (omitting salutation, > citation, and signature) it was "The issue has not yet been fixed in wheezy." > - Still on the same day, I replied, pointing out that I did not agree with > severity "serious", that I had changed severity on October, 12, and asked you > to comment, why you insisted on RC status. > - One week later, - without any reply - I posted to the list, again. > - As a reaction to this, you *finally* cared to give a rough explanation of > your point of view, in that mail on Nov, 2, you are referring to. > > > This would have been prevented > > via sponsorship. As I wrote before on 2 Nov 2012, on copyright and > > licenses you seem to need a sponsor. > > Excuse me, if there is a bit of sarcasm showing in the following paragraph. I > don't want that, but in all sincerity, I'm completely at a loss, as to how to > reply, otherwise: > > Do you think that Henrique Holschuh and Steve Langasek seem to need a sponsor? > Or did you not read the other replies on debian-policy? Or did you fail to > acknowledge that these diverged from your point of view? > > Yes, the copyright file had bugs beyond this discussion. I have acknowledged > that more than once. Yes, I can see your interpretation of policy on this > point. No, your interpretation of policy on this point is *not* the one and > only possible reading. And, disagreeing with your reading, I seem to find > myself in prominent company. > > Look, yes, I could have just gone ahead and accepted your initial assessment. > But I did not, precisely *because* I am trying to make informed and reasonable > decisions in such matters. A process, which involves me forming my own > thoughts, and putting my view to discussion, when it differs from yours. I > feel that's not merely my "right", but it's absolutely my responsibility as a > DM. > > And also, I do think that if you do hold a firm opinion on a subject, and you > do care about it, then you should communicate that a bit sooner, and a bit > more clearly. That, too is a question of respect and responsibility - towards > a random DM as much as to the project. > > Regards > Thomas I can sense your frustration, and I thank you for keeping it civil, I'll take care of helping you migrate the permissions. Let's take it off-list and get in touch with your old sponsor (with a timeout) and migrate the permissions. Cheers, Paul -- .''`. Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org> : :' : Proud Debian Developer `. `'` 4096R / 8F04 9AD8 2C92 066C 7352 D28A 7B58 5B30 807C 2A87 `- http://people.debian.org/~paultag
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