Re: No good user experience of Debian (Was: Packaging r-bioc-simpleaffy)
On Tuesday 01 March 2011 01:37:23 Tony Travis wrote:
> On 28/02/11 22:59, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi all,
I missed the beginning of the thread but neverthelesse I would like to chip in
a few thoughts as well.
The goal seems to be to make Debian as attractive to a biologist as MS. Worthy
goal but
1) When you decide to use Debian (for whatever reason) you accept the
responsibilities and ideas behind it (like it or not)
So if Debian decides (usually for good reasons) to exclude something then it
is their decision and one has to live with it when one *decides* to use
Debian.
2) If you *decide* that you want to use Debian and *not accept* Debian's
decision then you are on your own to find clever ways to circumvent the
problems (e.g. set up your own repositories to fill the gap) but you cannot
expect the Debian people to change their mind.
It is well know that having strict principles will not make your life easier.
So the goal should not be to change Debian until it will meet the principles
of MS so your problems will go away but educate biologists that the tradeoff
is worth it.
If one (biologist) does not *want* to accept the tradeoffs imposed by Debian
one should rather look for alternatives or stay with MS. There is little to be
gained *making* people like Debian without them *genuinely* accepting its
principles.
See. I would like to make my electric car go 900 km per charge like my diesel
car. Well I either accept the fact that this currently is not possible and
start to like my electric car or I stay with my diesel car. I am not going to
lure diesel car drivers into an electric car well knowing that they will
dislike the experience. And neither will I pressure the electric car maker to
add a diesel engine so the diesel car drivers will feel at home. It is all
about decisions.
I personally have stoped to *talk people into Linux*. They either find their
way themselves (and I will provide support) or they will stay with Windows.
As for the NX example. They went closed source recently. And if they really
wanted they could make it run on gcj and IcedTea.So it would be worth the
effort to kindly ask them to make it work on Debian.
But I probably totally missed the point.
Best regards,
Sebastian
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