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Re: paid LTS work imposing load on volunteers and other side effects (Re: zsh_5.0.7-5+deb8u1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 03:13:26PM +0000, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 10:01:38AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > FTP Masters, can you confirm that appropriate steps are being taken to
> > > allo the upload of zsh 5.0.7-5+deb8u1?
> > Still nothing from the FTP masters.  The DLA has already been reserved
> > and others which come chronologically after have actually been
> > published.  This is no doubt going to confuse some users.  Can someone
> > please help get this sorted out so that the zsh upload can be processed?
> I was approached that Debian LTS is causing some friction / unforseen side
> effects in some other Debian teams (*) and am currently collecting examples,
> and have added this to my list. Here a paid activity (the zsh upload) is
> causing work to volunteers who haven't (neccessarily) volunteered to do LTS
> work.
> Mind you: this is just an example and as far as I know the ftpmasters are
> in general happy to support LTS within reason. (Just pressuring just after 48h
> after the initial request might be a bit too much. Dunno.)
> If you know other such examples / areas, please let me now.
> I'm also vaguely pondering to do a survey among the Debian developers / teams.
> Given LTS is now 6 years old I think this could be useful.
> (*) while stil being seen positive and desired.
Please do not interpret what I have to say as me being defensive.

I have no problem waiting when it is required.  I also understand that
there are many tasks which fall to the FTP masters and that means that
sometimes a backlog builds up.  It would be helpful if there were
expectations regarding how long things should normally take.  Granted,
such a thing may not be possible.  Though, without that it is difficult
ot know whether to wait a day, two days, or a month.

Suggestion: one of the FTP master team members is also an active LTS
contributor.  Perhaps an arrangement could be reached where required FTP
master support for LTS activities could be provided under the LTS
umbrella rather than imposing on the volunteer members of the team.



Roberto C. Sánchez

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