Re: proposed removal of Enigmail from jessie/LTS
On 2018-12-20 14:30:49, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> fwiw, i agree with jmm that encouraging users to upgrade to stable is
> the best outcome here. The question is, what are we doing to the folks
> who (for whatever reason) can't make that switch.
> On Thu 2018-12-20 17:01:30 +0100, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
>> If suddenly all kinds of core libraries are getting updated in jessie
>> (with minimal testing)
> we're not talking about "all kinds of core libraries" -- we're talking
> about a very selected subset. And i don't think we're talking about
> "minimal testing", there has been a reasonable amount of testing. I
> think we ought to consider this specific case, rather than trying to
> make a systematized rule.
>> EOLing enigmail seems the only sensible option by far.
> the main issue with EOLing enigmail is that users will (instead of
> upgrading to stable) typically just use the version from
> addons.mozilla.org, which has both non-DFSG-free issues and
> significantly scary behavior (downloading and silently executing
> binaries from the web on the user's behalf).
> If we're EOLing thunderbird on jessie entirely, that'd be one thing (and
> i'd be ok with it). But EOLing enigmail on its own sounds like a route
> to trouble for enigmail users on jessie.
Thanks both of you for your feedback. I'm running out of time until the
holidays so I will personally let that one rest until January.
The packages are on people.d.o and can be tested by anyone. I think it
would be very useful if people would pursue that.
Alternatively, we can just drop support for Enigmail in jessie, as I
proposed in September. It just feels it's too bad to have wasted all
that time only to give up when we're so close to the goal, only because
But, as Emilio said, we coudln't have forseen those difficulties back
then so maybe it's fair to just give up at this point. I would be
worried about our users however...
Have a nice holiday season, or congress for those of you with that
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