Hi Laura e.a., On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 01:32:21AM +0200, Laura Arjona Reina wrote: > <snip> > https://salsa.debian.org/publicity-team/announcements/blob/master/en/2018/20180601.wml <snip> And more below : > El 31/05/18 a las 15:33, Joost van Baal-Ilić escribió: > > On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 01:18:29PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > >> Am 31.05.2018 um 08:08 schrieb Joost van Baal-Ilić: > >>> > >>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 04:18:06PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote to > >>> debian-publicity@lists.debian.org, debian-l10n-english@lists.debian.org, > >>> debian-i18n@lists.debian.org : > >>>> > >>>> the LTS team would like to announce the end of Wheezy LTS. Unfortunately > >>>> I have no rights to push to the announcements repository on > >>>> salsa.debian.org but you can find my draft at > >>>> > >>>> https://people.debian.org/~apo/2018-06-01-Debian-7-Long-Term-Support-reaching-end-of-life.wml > >>>> > >>> > >>> Thanks for your contribution. Imho it would be even better if freexian.com > >>> would not be mentioned in the announcement: afaik there's no formal > >>> endorsement of Debian for Freexian. (I'd like to add freexian does great > >>> work, btw!) > >>> > >>> Something like > >>> > >>> "A subset of Wheezy packages might be supported by some external parties. > >>> Refer to https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ for more information." > >>> > >>> would be better. > >> > >> This also came up on debian-lts [1]. Perhaps we should better > >> communicate that Extended LTS will benefit all Debian users? At any rate > >> it is certain that ELTS will happen now. I think we would rather prefer > >> a straight forward sentence like the current > >> > >> A subset of Wheezy packages will be supported by Freexian though. > >> Detailed information can be found at <a > >> href="https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts";>Extended LTS</a>. > > > > Now that I've read that webpage stuff is more clear to me. > > > >> I could change the first sentence to "A subset of Wheezy packages will > >> be supported by external parties though. They will be made available for > >> all Debian users." > >> > >> IMO if we change the other sentence to "Refer to > >> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ for more information." we just create one > >> more diversion but the fact remains the same, ELTS is managed by > >> Freexian. I don't have a strong opinion though. I could live with either > >> way. > > > >> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-lts/2018/05/msg00074.html > > > > I don't think we ever before suggested our users to use services supplied by > > external companies in our general public announcements. I am not yet sure > > what's the wisest thing to do here. Referring to the wiki feels more safe. > > Maybe anybody else has some insights to share? Time is running out and I can't > > invest much more time in this now... :( > > We (publicity delegates) also think that is better to mention "external > parties" and link to a wiki page. I have committed our proposal: > > https://salsa.debian.org/publicity-team/announcements/commit/cd98c0779d59f22ab66d401d21f7bf5ec0ce0f62 > > <p>Debian will not provide further security updates for Debian 7. A > - subset of Wheezy packages will be supported by Freexian though. Detailed > - information can be found at <a > href="https://deb.freexian.com/extended-lts";> > + subset of Wheezy packages will be supported by external parties. Detailed > + information can be found at <a > href="https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ExtendedLTS";> > Extended LTS</a>.</p> > > Our proposal would be that you (or us, but you know better the details) > create the https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ExtendedLTS with a similar format > as the https://wiki.debian.org/LTS page, including timeline, link to > Freexian, and maybe explain that it is not in Debian infrastructure but > all the Debian users can benefit of the work... > > This way, we keep in the announcement the focus on end-of-life of Wheezy > LTS, and yes, we add one click for the interested people, but IMO that's > also a good filter to avoid misunderstandings for other readers, and an > opportunity to explain more things or explain then better, in the wiki page. > > What do you think? I think this is a great solution, thanks a lot. I just wrote a very tiny scratch-version at https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/ExtendedLTS . I have very little time today to do more work on this. Anybody else would like to contribute? Bye, Joost
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