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Re: GNU Simpler Free Documentation License: discussion draft

Francesco Poli <frx@firenze.linux.it> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:05:44 +1000 Ben Finney wrote:
> [...]
> > The FSF has a draft license named the "Simpler Free Documentation
> > License" <URL:http://gplv3.fsf.org/doclic-dd1-guide.html>; that
> > page says that the SFDL was published in draft form on 2006-09-26.
> And was analyzed by me on debian-legal back on 2006-12-08:
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/12/msg00124.html

Yes, I recall that (and thank you again for this good analysis).

> [...]
> > So far, I can not see *any* comments at that document
> > <URL:http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gsfdl-draft-1.html>.

> Wait, I sent 20 comments.

Do you see them at the URL above? I don't (in my Javascript-enabled

> Here they are (no need to login, or to enable a Javascript interpreter
> to see them):
> http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/rt/readsay.html?Query=%20Creator%20=%20%27frx%27%20%20AND%20%27CF.NoteUrl%27%20LIKE%20%27gsfdl-draft-1%27%20&Rows=50
> If you want to see my comments on the draft text, use the following URL
> (needs Javascript):
> http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gsfdl-draft-1.html?Query=%20Creator%20=%20%27frx%27%20%20AND%20%27CF.NoteUrl%27%20LIKE%20%27gsfdl-draft-1%27%20&Order=DESC&OrderBy=id&Rows=50
> Other people sent their comments, as well.
> Currently, I can see 178 of them (no need to login or to enable
> Javascript):
> http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/rt/readsay.html?Query=%20%27CF.NoteUrl%27%20LIKE%20%27gsfdl-draft-1%27%20&Order=DESC&OrderBy=id&Rows=

Yes, I see them at those URLs just fine. Yet, at the plain URL
(without query parameters) of the same document
<URL:http://gplv3.fsf.org/comments/gsfdl-draft-1.html> shows no
comments. Despite the fact that it gives the same "comments are
highlighted in these colours" introduction at the top.

How on earth is someone supposed to conclude that there are any
comments at all? The impression I get from the (no query parameters)
document is that comments *would* be highlighted if there were any,
but currently there are none. The page does nothing to dispel that

I worry that discussion will be greatly discouraged if comments, once
made, are essentially invisible to newcomers. That worry isn't for
this forum to address, though.

 \      “People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of |
  `\   thought which they avoid.” —Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855) |
_o__)                                                                  |
Ben Finney

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