On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 22:41:49 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > Francesco Poli wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 09:57:33 +0200 Arnoud Engelfriet wrote: > > > I thought you used Y and Z for cases where Y is licensing Z's > > > trademark (if Y is Z's subsidiary or authorized licensee for > > > example). Then the trademark holder is Z but Y has certain rights > > > to the mark. > > > > Err, if I read the original message by Nathanael correctly, [Z] is > > intended to be the "meaning" of the trademark. > > Why would you do that? Because there can be more than one logo with different meanings. As you know, the Debian Project has currently two logos[1]: * the Open Use Logo, which should represent the Debian Project and Debian distributions, without implying endorsement; * the Official Use Logo, which should represent endorsement by the Debian Project; What we are currently doing is trying hard to clarify these things while making these logos comply with the DFSG. The main purpose of the trademark license we are trying to draft is granting enough trademark permissions to make the logos DFSG-free (once they will also be licensed under the Expat, as far as copyright is concerned). However, we need to keep a distinction between the two logos: one implies endorsement, while the other does not. I thought this was clear... but maybe it wasn't, or otherwise I don't understand your objection. [1] http://www.debian.org/logos/ > That can only be used against you. How so? > > I also don't see a need to indicate a field for the mark when you > license people to do anything with the mark. So maybe you should > just omit the entire Z thing. Well, not really *anything*. I thought we were fine-tuning the trademark license, just to carefully define what is allowed and what is not... Otherwise, the Debian Project could just avoid holding trademark rights and all this discussion would be moot. I must confess that now I'm a little puzzled. :-/ -- http://frx.netsons.org/doc/nanodocs/etch_workstation_install.html Need to read a Debian etch installation walk-through? ..................................................... Francesco Poli . GnuPG key fpr == C979 F34B 27CE 5CD8 DC12 31B5 78F4 279B DD6D FCF4
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