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Re: Sun Java available from non-free

On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 04:54:13PM -0500, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 01:27:41PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > complaining that no one shopped the license around to -legal before the
> > upload (which no one ever has an obligation to do) isn't...

> The Debian developer reference states in section 5.1. "New packages"
> the process to add new packages to Debian:

>      Assuming no one else is already working on your prospective package,
>      you must then submit a bug report (Section 7.1, `Bug reporting')
>      against the pseudo-package `wnpp' describing your plan to create a new
>      package, including, but not limiting yourself to, a description of the
>      package, the license of the prospective package, and the current URL
>      where it can be downloaded from.

> Note the words "the license of the prospective package".

> Such process was overlooked here.  Sure, this might not be an
> "obligation" but overlooking well-respected processes for that reason
> alone is not a very efficient way to work. Being technically allowed to
> do something do not make it right and do not absolve you from
> criticisms.

Sorry, but being listed in the dev ref does not make something a
"well-respected process".  I appreciate the work that the devref editors put
into trying to keep that document current on best-practices, but edits to
the devref don't enjoy nearly the level of scrutiny that policy does, and I
have no expectation that the devref is free of editor bias (or even just
plain errors).

That's a chicken-and-egg problem, of course; since deviating from
recommendations of the devref is not grounds for a bug, there's less
pressure to ensure the recommendations it contains are good ones.  I refer
to Policy on a regular basis, but I don't think I've read the devref since I
went through the NM queue.

So I guess you can still criticize folks for this if you want to, but I know
that my own ongoing notion of "best practices" comes from stuff I learned
long ago plus new ideas discussed on this mailing list, not from the devref.

Steve Langasek                   Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS
Debian Developer                   to set it on, and I can move the world.
vorlon@debian.org                                   http://www.debian.org/

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