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Re: MPlayer revisited

On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 11:51:43AM +0100, Andrew Suffield wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 03:25:19PM +0000, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Diego Biurrun <diego@biurrun.de> wrote:
> > > I surely hope we're not at the point where constructive dialog has
> > > become impossible.  I ask all of you to judge my words on their merit
> > > and not past statements made by other people.
> > 
> > I think we're not, but I don't know whether either mplayer
> > developers or debian developers can convince a ftpmaster
> > (which is where this tab stops) about this issue, or we
> > have to wait for a legal brain to comment.
> Specifically, it doesn't help that mplayer developers have pretty much
> run their credibility into the ground by now.
> After countless rounds of "It's free now!" "Here's six more blatant
> abuses, three of which you already knew about [references]" "Fuck
> off", I'm not overly surprised that people are disinclined to believe
> them.

Ever since I restarted this discussion in March 2004[1] all the issues
raised by people on this list have been addressed by me.  If some are
still outstanding, please point them out.

> Unfortunately we don't have a good solution to the problem of dealing
> with a package where upstream are untrustworthy lying bastards.

I'm part of upstream.  I have neither lied to nor insulted anyone here.
Whether I am trustworthy or not is for others to decide, but all the
facts I have presented can easily be verified.

Please don't let us degenerate to name-calling and keep the discussion
as civil as it has been up to this point.  Thanks.


[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/03/msg00235.html

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