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Re: Eclipse 3.0 Running ILLEGALY on Kaffe

Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org> writes:

> Brian Thomas Sniffen writes:
>> Fortunately, the sentence beginning "A program using..." is not
>> relevant to my argument.  I'm not talking about derivative works.  I'm
>> talking about an entire copy of Kaffe.  Debian contains a copy of
>> Kaffe.  So any parts of Debian that aren't merely aggregated with
>> Kaffe need to be distributed under the terms of the GPL.  Read GPL 2,
>> particularly 2b.
> You have not yet provided any good reason for us to believe that the
> Eclipse and Kaffe packages have some relationship beyond mere
> aggregation, especially if neither is a derivative work of the other.

The Depends: line, and the fact that Kaffe will be the only JVM in
main capable of running Eclipse.  Debian wouldn't be shipping Eclipse
in Main if Kaffe weren't there.  It would have to go in Contrib.

> It has been explained repeatedly in this thread why GPL 2b from Kaffe
> does not apply to Eclipse (either considered as upstream software or
> as packages).  GPL 2b can only apply to Eclipse if Eclipse is a
> derivative of some GPLed work, yet you claim your argument is not
> about derivative works.

I have seen no such explanation -- can you point me at such a message?
I have been very clear that I am talking about the part of GPL 2b
which says "in whole or in part contains...the Program or any part

> Your interpretation would require that almost all packages in main be
> GPL-compatible due to the kernel being GPLed (among other undesirable
> results).

I don't think it's that bad -- most programs in Debian are merely
aggregated together.  The kernel has a specific exception, cited
elsewhere in this thread.


Brian Sniffen                                       bts@alum.mit.edu

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