Re: BSD Protection License
At 10:38 23/10/2003 +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
I am assuming from this that you wish a CC to be sent to you, although you
have not requested one.
Thanks. On the lists I normally frequent, it is normal to CC replies
(especially if there is reason to think that the person for whom the
response is intended is not a subscriber); I just noticed that debian's
"code of conduct" for lists forbid this.
Judges and/or juries, who are assumed to be reasonable. I don't see
that there is any confusion inherent in a license which states "You may
do X if Y. You may do X if Z"; but even if there was confusion, it is to
be interpreted in a manner which makes sense.
Please explain why you think that the normal interpretation of "You may do
X if Y and Z" is not a reasonable interpretation. If it leaves your
licence inconsistent, then we must be cautious about it. If you wish to
have "You may do X if Y or Z" then you should state that.
license n. 1. A permit from an authority to own or use something, do a
particular thing, or carry on a trade.
license v. 1. grant a license to. 2. authorize.
Licenses *grant* the authority to take certain actions; they do not
*restrict* one's ability to take actions. I hope you'll agree that
1. You may do X
2. You may do Y
3. You may do Z
means "you may take any, all, or none, of the actions X,Y,Z"; likewise,
clauses 2, 3, and 4 each provide alternatives -- you may take actions
permitted under any of those clauses.
For the record, can you tell me specifically which parts of the DFSG
are not satisfied by this license?
We are currently centering on not meeting DFSG 3, but I think that
questions remain on 5, 6 and 7 too.
DFSG 3 is simply a question of understanding what the license says (ok,
to be pedantic, what it *trys* to say). Next chance I get, I'll ask one of
the fellows here in .ox.ac.uk how such a disjunction would be interpreted
by the courts; if he thinks it's unclear, I'll reword the license to change
DFSG 5 and 6... well, you *might* consider this license to violate
those, but only if you also consider the GPL to be in violation -- the
relevant section is identical between the two licenses.
DFSG 7... huh?
I don't really have the time and I don't like this licence, especially the
preamble which seems to suggest that commercial developers of GPL'd
software like me are doing something wrong. That may be your opinion, but
I don't have to like it.
To be fair, I didn't expect many people to like this license -- which is
one reason I only came here to discuss it after someone else (Adam Majer)
decided he wanted to bring my code into debian.
As regards the "BSD Protection Licence" name, I think that this borders on
misrepresentation of the licence as the work of UCB if there is no
link. Also, someone else holds the BSD trademark, but I forget who.
There are trademarks on "BSD" in the contexts of computer software and
banking services, and also a number of trademarks which include "BSD" (eg,
BSD Ben Severson Designs, which seems to cover clothing and water sports
equipment). No trademarks covering licensing, contracts, or any sort of
OT: What triggered this burst of people modifying the BSD licence to be
incompatible with all other free software licences? This is the second on
-legal this month, I think.
ITYM "this burst of people submitting licenses to -legal". This license
has been around for 18 months.