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Re: jdk1.1 license changes

On Sun, Oct 31, 1999 at 10:20:43AM -0800, Stephen Zander wrote:
> >>>>> "Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <Marcus.Brinkmann@ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:
>     Marcus> What the hell is "GNU/Debian linux"????
> The jdk *as it stands* doesn't even support Hurd, so refering to it in
> a licence is pointless.

Of course I should have noted that I was referring to Debian GNU/Linux, as
was already guessed by someone else ;)

>     Marcus> Well, here it is "Debian", which hopefully means us
>     Marcus> anyway, so I guess it's okay... (what does "persuant"
>     Marcus> mean, btw?)
> "Debian" is used everywhere else to refer to the GNU/Debian linux
> distribution because it's less typing.  Again, Hurd has no relevance
> here, this software only works in a linux environment unless you've
> got Hurd emulating linux in which case try the current package, there
> are no noticable differences.

The Hurd will be able to run Linux binaries, not by emulation, simply by
running them (only direct use of kernel syscalls need emulation). As Linux
is not a defined term, referring to it does not make any sense anyway.
Debian GNU/Linux is defined, though, which means that we have to be careful
not to include any parts of jdk in the Hurd ports. Are some of them in
binary-all? In this case, we have a problem.

> Persuant is a typo, it's pursuant: conforming to or in accordance with.

I was wondering because it looked more in contradiction with the terms.
>     >> 1.1 Sun grants to you ("Licensee") a nontransferable,
>     >> nonexclusive, royalty-free, limited license to use a copy of
>     >> the Java Source Code ("Licensed Software") in the United
>     >> States, Canada, Japan, Australia and the European Union
>     >> (constituted as of the Effective Date), at the location
>     >> identified below,
>     Marcus> Erh, what about Russia? What about India, Korea, Vietnam? 
>     Marcus> What about China?  What about the all the small isles on
>     Marcus> the world?
>     Marcus> Where are our non-free mirrors?
> If you'd read the entire text, you'd see that the section you just
> quoted is part of Sun's Non-commercial source licence, an agreement
> between Sun and myself which I explicitly noted appears *for reference
> only.*

But doesn't this mean that, because clause 2. is referring to 1.2 of the
non-commercial license, and clause 1.2 is referring to clause 1.1, the terms
in the non-commercial license apply to the license arramgement made for
Debian? In this case, my question is still of relevance. For software in
non-free, we can't make any export guarantees. Not even non-us fits the


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