Zope's venture capital guy contacted me. I've explained your sentiments to him, and he'll explain it to his partners. Hopefully you'll see a change. Thanks Bruce -- The $70 Billion US "budget surplus" hardly offsets our $5 Trillion national debt. The debt increased by $133 Billion in the same year we found a "surplus". More debt is predicted for 1999. See www.concordcoalition.org . Bruce Perens K6BP bruce@pixar.com 510-620-3502 NCI-1001