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Re: The following packages have been kept back



On 19.11.18 10:09, Marvin Renich wrote:
> If you say «apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree» it should tell you
> what it is going to do and ask for confirmation if any other packages
> will be installed or removed.

* Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uhlar@fantomas.sk> [181119 11:13]:
I would call this unfortunate, because security update should not bring new
packages unless really needed.

On 20.11.18 13:39, Marvin Renich wrote:
This does not appear to be a security update, but (looking at the
version numbers involved) a release upgrade from jessie to stretch,
though I could be wrong.  Security updates, in general, do not add or
remove dependencies without a real need.  The security team is very
sensitive to this.

It's an update due to a security bug, so I believe it's correct to call it a
security update.

However it happened in jessie that is in LTS state, so it's not the security
but the LTS team who took care of that.

Also, unattended-upgrades does not simply do apt-get
upgrade; I believe it does allow changing dependencies.

I didn't say that, I just noted that both unattended-upgrades and
"apt-get upgrade" seem to behave the same way here.

I'm not sure why you say «apt-get install ...» asking for confirmation
is unfortunate (or were you saying something else?).

unfortunate is that a security update bringsa in a new package when there
seems to be no reason for that. I can understand that for wireshark or clamav if they bring new libraries
with new ABI, but firmware doesn't seem to be the case.

I may be wrong about the reasons of course.
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