Re: 5.2.x development (was: Re: help finding july c't magazine)
Hallo,
> On Tuesday 25 September 2007 04:03:04 pm Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> > Le 24 Septembre 2007 05:41, Klaus Knopper a écrit :
> > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:09:16AM -0700, Ryan Finnie wrote:
> > > > On 9/24/07, V. Mark Lehky <mark.lehky@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> > > > > > It's absolutely no use to get the magazine version of
> > > > > > Knoppix. Version 5.2.1 will be out today, as tomorrow is the
> > > > > > beginning of autumn. You'll certainly remember that 5.2.1 was
> > > > > > supposed to be out in April. Then it was May, then it was
> > > > > > some time this summer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So now, this is it... I suppose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was wondering if anyone could elaborate on this. I can't find
> > > > > anything official on KNOPPIX.com. Is there in fact a release
> > > > > coming out soon?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx, VML.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect Gilles was bring sarcastic, holding Klaus to a
> > > > "sometime this summer" statement.
> > >
> > > I think so, too. ;-)
> >
> > Of course, I could have been proven wrong, mainly that autumn started
> > only on 23rd, not the 21st, as I thought.
> >
> > > Ok, it wasn't summer, I apologize. If you are used to get flooded
> > > with work, you may understand that spare time projects get delayed,
> > > sometimes for months. Gilles may even suggest "years", but I don't
> > > think so.
> >
> > No, I won't say years, but the Knoppix is definitely taking a trend
> > towards the ready when it's ready philosophy. What we're talking
> > about here is a +0.0.1 release and it was supposed to be spring, then
> > summer, now autumn... And there's absolutely no roadmap. Oh yeah,
> > cloop will work with kernel 2.6.22!
> >
> > Of course, when Knoppix was released every second day, no roadmap was
> > necesary: you just checked the new release. If there was something
> > you needed, you downloaded, if not, you didn't.
> >
> > The result is as expected. Now that anybody can post on this group
> > without registering -- which give you the opportunity of having your
> > private email address spammed if you ever forget to switch to your
> > public newsgroup address before posting -- the group is dead.
> >
> > Is there any reason to complain? No. Kluas did a real good job for
> > years and has been an inspiration to many developers. Surely the
> > Live-CD trend wouldn't have come so soon if it hadn't been for him.
> > But definitely, Knoppix is not where it's at anymore. For some
> > developers, maybe, but not for Linux users in general.
> >
> > > Some sponsoring by interest groups provided, we plan to release the
> > > ADRIANE Audio desktop as a live CD based on MiniKnoppix, still
> > > within this year, which may also allow us to work on the Knoppix
> > > base in parallel. I hope to be able to release all live systems
> > > simultaneously. But I can't give you a date yet. It's ready when
> > > it's ready. If you want fixed release dates, please consider
> > > Ubuntu. ;-)
> >
> > Yeah, Ubuntu is great. Everybody says so. Not me. A distro where Gnome
> > is king ans KDE an afterthought is not for me. I must be a little bit
> > Volkerding-ish or Torvalds-ish.
> >
> > There's PCLinuxOS... with the completly fucked up Mandrake
> > partitioning tool. Nobody noticed. One wonders what else they didn't
> > notice...
> >
> > And there's Suse, of course. Hey, they made sure they won't get sued
> > by Microsoft and tied all kinds of threads between the two companies.
> > Suse has really understood all the advantages that everybody company
> > that allied with Microsoft has gained from this partnership. Wise
> > people!
> >
> > There's Fedora, if you don't care being used as a workbench and
> > upgrading every year or so, they might some day succeed in making a
> > LiveCD that works faster than at a crawl. Just as for Suse, all you
> > need to do is download 5 CDs.
> >
> > And, of course, there's Windows. It comes installed on pretty much
> > every PC. Somehow they don't seem afraid to use windows media
> > codecs...
> >
> > But, worry not, Linux is about to make on the desktop, very, very,
> > very soon. Isn't it what has been told for the last 10 years?
> >
> > So, you can teach me all the lessons you want, I don't care and you
> > don't need to worry that I'll come back bothering you.
> >
> > This is my last message. I'm unsubscribing right after it.
> >
> > Have fun!
>
> Gilles is gone presumably. He forgot to mention almost the first and most
> straightforward distro, Slackware, which I have used since the days when it
> came on a series of floppy disks.
>
> I value Knoppix because Slackware does not have Gnome, which blocks it from
> some useful software packages in the graphics area. The Gnomish supplements
> for Slack don't keep up with Slack itself. Most have not been updated to
> Slack 12.
>
> The Knoppix derivative Grafpuppy has all the graphics programs but
> unfortunately it is not updated regularly so that the packages are very out
> of date.
>
> Debian and Ubuntu don't want to install on my system because I have two NICs
> and they always try to connect to the internet on the wrong one. Fortunately
> Knoppix overcomes this problem somehow. I spent many hours and a dozen cdrs
> trying to get Debian, Ubuntu and/or Gentoo to install correctly. No joy
> here.
>
> What Knoppix does not do to my knowledge is allow the download and execution
> of an uninstalled package as needed in the same way that Slax, the Slackware
> cognate of Knoppix, does.
>
> When time permits I will try to install Knoppix on disk. Hopefully that does
> not corrupt its virtue to the point that it stops working correctly. If I do
> that will apt-get work on hard disk Knoppix?
Well, sometimes! Knoppix is a mixture of stable, unstable and testing. I think I had installed 3.? on harddisk and did apt-get upgrade. Some packages did not work, so I decided I would never use them anyway and deleteted them. It worked for some years on my laptop, but in the end I decided to use debian (stable), first with kde, now with xfce,
Knoppix is still my favorite allpurpose LiveCD, but I am using puppy and rescuecd as well. Puppy for smaller systems and rescuecd for maintanance because they both fit into RAM (256 MB).
Have a nice weekend!
Achim
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