Re: 5.2.x development (was: Re: help finding july c't magazine)
On Tuesday 25 September 2007 04:03:04 pm Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> Le 24 Septembre 2007 05:41, Klaus Knopper a écrit :
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 02:09:16AM -0700, Ryan Finnie wrote:
> > > On 9/24/07, V. Mark Lehky <mark.lehky@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> > > > > It's absolutely no use to get the magazine version of
> > > > > Knoppix. Version 5.2.1 will be out today, as tomorrow is the
> > > > > beginning of autumn. You'll certainly remember that 5.2.1 was
> > > > > supposed to be out in April. Then it was May, then it was
> > > > > some time this summer.
> > > > >
> > > > > So now, this is it... I suppose.
> > > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I was wondering if anyone could elaborate on this. I can't find
> > > > anything official on KNOPPIX.com. Is there in fact a release
> > > > coming out soon?
> > > >
> > > > Thanx, VML.
> > >
> > > I suspect Gilles was bring sarcastic, holding Klaus to a
> > > "sometime this summer" statement.
> >
> > I think so, too. ;-)
>
> Of course, I could have been proven wrong, mainly that autumn started
> only on 23rd, not the 21st, as I thought.
>
> > Ok, it wasn't summer, I apologize. If you are used to get flooded
> > with work, you may understand that spare time projects get delayed,
> > sometimes for months. Gilles may even suggest "years", but I don't
> > think so.
>
> No, I won't say years, but the Knoppix is definitely taking a trend
> towards the ready when it's ready philosophy. What we're talking
> about here is a +0.0.1 release and it was supposed to be spring, then
> summer, now autumn... And there's absolutely no roadmap. Oh yeah,
> cloop will work with kernel 2.6.22!
>
> Of course, when Knoppix was released every second day, no roadmap was
> necesary: you just checked the new release. If there was something
> you needed, you downloaded, if not, you didn't.
>
> The result is as expected. Now that anybody can post on this group
> without registering -- which give you the opportunity of having your
> private email address spammed if you ever forget to switch to your
> public newsgroup address before posting -- the group is dead.
>
> Is there any reason to complain? No. Kluas did a real good job for
> years and has been an inspiration to many developers. Surely the
> Live-CD trend wouldn't have come so soon if it hadn't been for him.
> But definitely, Knoppix is not where it's at anymore. For some
> developers, maybe, but not for Linux users in general.
>
> > Some sponsoring by interest groups provided, we plan to release the
> > ADRIANE Audio desktop as a live CD based on MiniKnoppix, still
> > within this year, which may also allow us to work on the Knoppix
> > base in parallel. I hope to be able to release all live systems
> > simultaneously. But I can't give you a date yet. It's ready when
> > it's ready. If you want fixed release dates, please consider
> > Ubuntu. ;-)
>
> Yeah, Ubuntu is great. Everybody says so. Not me. A distro where Gnome
> is king ans KDE an afterthought is not for me. I must be a little bit
> Volkerding-ish or Torvalds-ish.
>
> There's PCLinuxOS... with the completly fucked up Mandrake
> partitioning tool. Nobody noticed. One wonders what else they didn't
> notice...
>
> And there's Suse, of course. Hey, they made sure they won't get sued
> by Microsoft and tied all kinds of threads between the two companies.
> Suse has really understood all the advantages that everybody company
> that allied with Microsoft has gained from this partnership. Wise
> people!
>
> There's Fedora, if you don't care being used as a workbench and
> upgrading every year or so, they might some day succeed in making a
> LiveCD that works faster than at a crawl. Just as for Suse, all you
> need to do is download 5 CDs.
>
> And, of course, there's Windows. It comes installed on pretty much
> every PC. Somehow they don't seem afraid to use windows media
> codecs...
>
> But, worry not, Linux is about to make on the desktop, very, very,
> very soon. Isn't it what has been told for the last 10 years?
>
> So, you can teach me all the lessons you want, I don't care and you
> don't need to worry that I'll come back bothering you.
>
> This is my last message. I'm unsubscribing right after it.
>
> Have fun!
Gilles is gone presumably. He forgot to mention almost the first and most
straightforward distro, Slackware, which I have used since the days when it
came on a series of floppy disks.
I value Knoppix because Slackware does not have Gnome, which blocks it from
some useful software packages in the graphics area. The Gnomish supplements
for Slack don't keep up with Slack itself. Most have not been updated to
Slack 12.
The Knoppix derivative Grafpuppy has all the graphics programs but
unfortunately it is not updated regularly so that the packages are very out
of date.
Debian and Ubuntu don't want to install on my system because I have two NICs
and they always try to connect to the internet on the wrong one. Fortunately
Knoppix overcomes this problem somehow. I spent many hours and a dozen cdrs
trying to get Debian, Ubuntu and/or Gentoo to install correctly. No joy
here.
What Knoppix does not do to my knowledge is allow the download and execution
of an uninstalled package as needed in the same way that Slax, the Slackware
cognate of Knoppix, does.
When time permits I will try to install Knoppix on disk. Hopefully that does
not corrupt its virtue to the point that it stops working correctly. If I do
that will apt-get work on hard disk Knoppix?
--
John Culleton
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