Re: [debian-knoppix] Knoppix installed on HD: still not a standard Debian! (reformated?)
Trying to reformat...
On July 31, 2003 03:58 pm, Klaus Knopper wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 03:26:17PM -0400, Gilles Pelletier
> wrote:
>> I tried to make a boot floppy with mkrescue on a Knoppix HD
>> installation: desn't work! So, it seems I'll stay with
>> Slackware for now. Maybe Fabian will want to send me an email
>> when version 1.0 of his script
>> is out.
>> As I said, I'm not a developper and I can't give nobody the
>> whip. But may I have... impressions? I find not much has
>> changed hd-installation wise since end of october 2002. And
>> that's 9 months! Now there's a "hidden feature" (says Klaus
>> in his interview) to mount a partition as /home, but you've
>> got to run your system without a boot floppy, it seems.
>> I'd luv to be as enthusiastic as Klaus and say nobody I
>> know uses Windows, but
> Wait... This is what I said? I don't remember it quite so. I
> DO know people who use Windows. I think.
Well, you did say:
KK: Most people and companies that I know are already using
GNU/Linux on the personal PCs. There are very few cases where
people still rely, for backwards compatibility, on some
proprietary software that they had committed themselves to,
long ago.
http://www.pctechtalk.com/view.php?id=123
So it seems you meant that those who don't still use GNU/Linux
are the «very few» who have backward compatibilities issues.
Excuse me for summing up in a word, but I believe I was pretty
close to the spirit of what you said.
>> 1%... or less of the visits to Google are made with Linux!
> How can you tell? From the browser "user agent" string?
I suppose that's how Google tells. So? Do you think
extrapolating from LinuxCounter figures or multiplying by 10
the number of Linux CD downloaded would give a more realistic
figure?
>> At least Klaus' efforts have made Slackware easier to
>> install :)
> Thanks, at least SOMETHING I did right... ;-)
You did a lot of things right and you provide a tremendous
effort. Still, if a few little details are not fixed, IT WILL
BE EXACTLY AS IF YOU HAD DONE NOTHING! (I'm shouting, do you
hear me?)
When you read distrowatch's references, some people say they
hand out copies of Knoppix to their best friends. Reading this,
I myself thought that Knoppix had made it and recommended
Knoppix to many people. I've been waiting for this to happen
since I had somebody download the Knoppix 3.1 , Oct 31st 2002
version, for me.
What do I find 9 months later? Just as was the case with
Christian's efforts, you want the installation program to be a
(This is a quote »»») "hidden feature". So well hidden, as a
matter of fact, that you can't find the name of the
installation script, let alone finding how you can mount a
partition as /home.
Nothing has changed! Some new guy is rewrtiting an script "from
scratch to have an easy-config". Maybe we'll have a new one
again in another nine month pregnancy time? For now, there's
only a little detail missing: it's not possible to make a boot
floppy. (If it is, nobody told me yet.)
I suppose that's where you get to when you motivate
contributors by offering their work as "hidden features". One
can only fathom what Gentoo would be up to if Daniel Robbins
had been thinking the way you are.
Well, I might be a complete dummy computer-wise, but I would
never recommand anybody but my worst ennemies to run any OS
without a boot floppy.
I'm not saying Fabian is not doing his best, but maybe he's not
competent enough, or he needs more help, or it's a mission
impossible ordeal, or God knows what. This I can't determine.
But it seems to me many efforts will soon be lost.
You also said:
" I never intended to publish another installable distribution.
People expect an installation manual and personal support, and
I cannot do this for free in my free time."
Slackware has but a very outdated manual, both online and in
print. It's of very little use now. And Volkerding offers no
support. What's different with you? You don't produce the
installation program? If would think Robbins produce a much
lesser part of his distro. So?
In your interview, you say: "I'm not anti-MS." If you're
sincere when you say that, you have no idea of what MS stands
for. It's just not any other monopoly. It acquires power out of
nothingness to control evry aspect of our lifes.
You'd be hard pressed to find a more anti-MS individual than I.
Still, I believe Google more than Gates' and Ballmer's
counter-anti-monopoly speaches when they say they worry about
Linux.
Enough with all the fuckin' hype! We're more than halfway
through the second year of "Linux on the desktop" and
absolutely nothing is happening. Linuxtag Expo is not the
world!
Computers are now considered just another appliance and people
want software that works first hand. Linux has been released
early all too often and is still a far cry from this objective.
Hey! If there's no development problem here, I wonder where
there is!
Because the Knoppix CD worked so well, I thought things were
about to change. I've been daydreaming, I suppose.
GP
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