Re: [debian-knoppix] English support and development docs
> This is the Developers list, not the Newsletter. The Newsletter is a
> private mailinglist of me where I post new features and announcements
> about Knoppix every 2 months.
Put me in please (when is the next Newsletter release?).
> > >> Does anyone have experience on multi language development
> > >> discussions, and how to embrace everyone?
> > >
> > >"knoppix lang=us"
> > I did not mean knoppix support for many languages, which is important.
> >
> > I meant developer discussions in English and German and whatever.
An interesting thing to notice is that you distribute english iso.
It is a lot more easy than to type lang=us on a belgian keyboard with german
configuration.
I have some request about lang=xxx feature.
Would it be possible to split the concept of lang= with a new concept of
keyb= ?
I have PCs with Belgian French (almost French) keyboard.
I want to type "French" without message in French.
But I don't want KDE or any error message to be in any other language than
English.
Also, I would like to be able to use my Belgian French keyboard and have my
keys at the right place.
AZERTY is of course the same, but when it come to programming
{}[]*./\?,;@|!&"' it is another story!!!
So how can I help to implement that?
There seems to be a BE keyboard in KDE and I have a knoppix.sh that loadkey
the right one.
> Ah, Ok, sorry for my misunderstanding. The developers list is
> german/english on demand, depending on who's asking. I don't think that
> it makes much sense to fork an additional english/russian/spanish list,
> or do you believe this is necessary?
It does not make sense to split.
However, if you are German (not you Klaus Knopper, but user asking for
help),
and you speak enough of technical english, please ask your question in
English.
I made a few attempt to run Knoppix in vmware.
I found out from the mailing list that I was not the only one trying.
I did try some suggested boot command line (with no success).
But all the explanation arround those command line where in German.
So I don't know if I did try something that was known not to work
or something that could have work. ;-)
> I would follow the simple approach: question in english -> answer in
> english, question in german -> answer in german. If someone feels
> misunderstood or fears to miss anything, he can ask again in english or
> german.
So a rest-of-the-world friendly approach would be as a german user to try
asking in english first. ;-)
> I have been thinking about a "Server" and "Desktop" split of Knoppix a
> lot. This would free up some space on both versions, but is more
> difficult to maintain, because you basically have to keep two different
> distros up-to-date. Oliver is working on a self-build system where
> random packages can be chosen, maybe his approach is faster than
> splitting the current download version.
I don't know what Oliver is working on,
but I would suggest taking a look at lnx-bbs(?)
(The linux on a business card CD distribution)
I think they have a CVS and a building system in place.
> I would find a "server" version without X but with Webmin very neat,
> especially for teaching and on-the-fly installations of servers.
I use Knoppix for security training.
I am very dependant on hping2 availability in Knoppix.
I love ethereal, nmap, nessus and a few other.
Of course some of the tools I use/need are not it.
I compile them on the side on a separate partition.
I don't think it would be a "good thing"TM to add too many
potentially dangerous program to knoppix.
It is not always easy for me since I can not "make install" and sometime
have to staticaly link or tell configure where my libs are.
I could have use LRP or Trinux or (name a small distribution)...
But I was strike by Knoppix at the first download. ;-)
Every time I do one of my security training, I explain that I use Knoppix.
I write it on the board (to make sure they find it)
[and show them where to click on the fully german web site].
I also frequently give away one of my old CD to one of my student.
They try at home and take a copy or keep the CD for ever (if it's on
friday).
I also use Knoppix as my development (lcdproc and some PBeM stuff).
And I am very dependant on gcc/make/automake/autoconfigure/...
David GLAUDE
PS: Those were my 0.02 EURO (at least we share that).
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