Bug#567468: md homehost
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:16:14 +0100
> Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
>
>> Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:41:16 +0100
>> > Goswin von Brederlow <goswin-v-b@web.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:27:00 +0100
>> >> > martin f krafft <madduck@madduck.net> wrote:
>> >> >> The only issue homehost protects against, I think, is machines that
>> >> >> use /dev/md0 directly from grub.conf or fstab.
>> >> >
>> >> > That is exactly correct. If no code or config file depends on a name like
>> >> > /dev/mdX or /dev/md/foo, then you don't need to be concerned about the whole
>> >> > homehost thing.
>> >> > You can either mount by fs-uuid, or mount e.g.
>> >> > /dev/disk/by-id/md-uuid-8fd0af3f:4fbb94ea:12cc2127:f9855db5
>> >>
>> >> What if you have two raids (one local, one from the other hosts that
>> >> broke down) and both have LVM on it with /dev/vg/root?
>> >>
>> >> Shouldn't it only assemble the local raid (as md0 or whatever) and then
>> >> only start the local volume group? If it assembles the remote raid as
>> >> /dev/md127 as well then lvm will have problems and the boot will likely
>> >> (even randomly) go wrong since only one VG can be activated.
>> >>
>> >> I think it is pretty common for admins to configure LVM to the same
>> >> volume group name on different systems. So if you consider raids being
>> >> pluged into other systems please keep this in mind.
>> >
>> > You are entirely correct. However lvm problems are not my problems.
>> >
>> > It has always been my position that the best way to configure md is to
>> > explicitly list your arrays in mdadm.conf. But people seem to not like this
>> > and want it to all be 'automatic'. So I do my best to make it as automatic
>> > as possible but still remove as many of the possible confusion that this can
>> > cause as possible. But I cannot remove them all.
>> >
>> > If you move disks around and boot and lvm gets confused because there are two
>> > things call "/dev/vg/root", then I'm sorry but there is nothing I can do
>> > about that. If you had an mdadm.conf which listed you md arrays, and had
>> > auto -all
>> > then you can be sure that mdadm would not be contributing to this problem.
>> >
>> > NeilBrown
>>
>> Yes you can do something about it: Only start the raid arrays with the
>> correct homehost.
>
> This is what 'homehost' originally did, but I got a lot of push-back on that.
> I added the "auto" line in mdadm.conf so that the admin could choose what
> happens.
> If the particular metadata type is enabled on the auto line, the the array is
> assembled with a random name. If it is disabled, it is not assembled at all
> (unless explicitly listed in mdadm.conf).
> I'm not sure exactly how 'auto' interacts with 'homehost'. The documentation
> I wrote only talks about arrays listed in mdadm.conf or on the command line,
> not arrays with a valid homehost. I guess I should check..... I think I want
> "auto -all" to still assemble arrays with a valid homehost. I'll confirm
> that before I release 3.1.2.
>
>>
>> If the homehost is only used to decide wether the prefered minor in the
>> metadata is used for the device name then I feel the feature is entirely
>> useless. It would only help in "stupid" configurations, i.e. when you
>> use the device name directly.
>
> Yes.
>
>>
>> Another scenario where starting a raid with the wrong homehost would be
>> bad is when the raid is degraded and you have a global spare. You
>> probably wouldn't want the global spare of one host to be used to repair
>> a raid of another host.
>
> I only support global spares that are explicitly listed in mdadm.conf, so
> currently this couldn't happen. One day some one is going to ask for
> auto-configure global spares. Then I'll have to worry about this (or just
> say "no").
>
>>
>> MfG
>> Goswin
>>
>> PS: If a raid is not listed in mdadm.conf doesn't it currently start too
>> but the name can be random?
>
> It depends on the "auto" line in mdadm.conf
>
> Thanks,
> NeilBrown
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I've always tried to assign volume-groups a host-unique name anyway.
Though I don't currently run enough systems to demand a formal
approach, I imagine a dedicated hostname within the VG name would
work. You could then use a pattern like sys-${HOSTNAME} or sys-*/ to
obtain the hostname on a nominal basis; though obviously if working on
multiple 'system' volume groups at a time the * method fails...
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