Re: Etch timeline is unrealistic because non-free firmware is NOT being dealt with
On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 08:12:48PM -0400, Jim Crilly wrote:
> On 08/08/06 04:49:33PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Sven Luther <sven.luther@wanadoo.fr> writes:
> >
> > > Well, it reads to me that we won't screw our users without second
> > > thought like some here are proposing.
> >
> > In my opinion, we have been screwing our users for years by lying to
> > them about whether their software was free. We would even say things
> > like "hardware such-and-such is supportable with free software" and
> > then ship them a non-free driver.
> >
>
> I'm sure this has been suggested/covered before, but what's wrong with just
> sticking those drivers in non-free and giving the user a choice during
Well, i mentioned this already elsewhere in this thread, but there you go :
1) it is lot of work, and we (the kernel team) don't realy have the ressources
for it.
2) there is currently no exhaustive list of affected drivers, there may even
be some case of things like main processor micro-code affected.
3) it demands works of part of debian outside the kernel team, particularly
the d-i and eventually archive folk. The d-i have not been cooperative to
this idea, and even mentioning it to them has resulted in a barrage of
agresive bashing. But then maybe it was just because they don't like me and
i dared to mention this all those months back. In any case, they have not
fixed their side of it, and there appears to be no plan to do so, i was
kicked out of the d-i project, and Frans threatened me if i even dared work
on kernel/d-i based issues.
> installation? Sure, it'll screw the users that won't have Internet access
> during the installation, but as long as it's possible to make custom
> installation discs that'll probably take care of itself.
You can do a CD media which includes the non-free modules, you would have to
build a non-free d-i image set anyway.
Friendly,
Sven Luther
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