Re: improving the UX with the default KDE installation
On 30/03/17 10:22:20 CEST, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
> I won't use dolphin unless I'm forced to use it and konq-plugins is a
> needed package for konqueror.
But if we focus on a setup suitable for the general public, I think dolphin is
good as file manager and well integrated. Instead konqueror (and therefore
konq-plugins), as stated in previous messages, is obsolete and not well
maintained upstream and thus it should at most be suggested but not
recommended.
On 31/03/17 01:41:41 CEST, inkbottle wrote:
> So let's start with (in) the most simple apparel and add (non mandatory)
> veils on demand, instead of the contrary.
> And try and help the user to fathom what's necessary from what is convenient
> and what is fashionable but somehow superfluous however.
That's a perfect statement.
> > Depends: dragonplayer --> substitute with: vlc
>
> I use mpv, my dragonplayer is set to dummy [...]
> Anyway, "depend" is too high a constraint for a video player.
Mpv is really popular and I use it too but, still, VLC is possibly the
preferred choice by the general public, it provides a good user experience
also for non-techies and it integrates well in the Plasma desktop.
Furthermore, I would not change the type of dependency in order to assure that
in a basic setup users have a mean to play videos and music.
> > Depends: kcalc
>
> Come on! I've got fingers for that (and even a brain sometimes). And Google,
> via Firefox can do it too.
Hum, however kcalc has advanced features that can be used by students and
technicians. And, of course, it can be used without an internet connection (:
> > Depends: khelpcenter
>
> There is no useful integrated help (to my mind ;-) ); When I want help about
> something: the internet is my friend, and if it's not enough, I come here.
> So "suggest" at most.
Same here but still I think it can be useful somehow. IMHO documentation and
dedicated help applications must be included in a basic setup to cover any
possible use case.
> > Depends: kmail --> change to: Suggests
>
> It has its glitches... But I use it
I use it too and I propose to suggest it, and not recommend it, exactly
because it has it glitches and many people probably prefer other clients or
just e-mail web interfaces even when using the Plasma desktop.
> > Depends: kde-spectacle
> "Depend" is too high: it's not "necessary" in anyway.
I agree, maybe "suggests"?
> > Depends: kwalletmanager
>
> I never voluntarily use it; disable it whenever I can. [...]
> Also I've noticed that my WPA password is stored in clear there:
> /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/
> This happened automatically during unofficial (viz. with firmware) netinst.
> I wouldn't recommend kwalletmanager to anybody.
I didn't know that, is there a bug report for it? I have to say that I use it
just for a couple of things and it proves to be useful some time. But for
serious things I always suggest pass or keepassx. Nevertheless I have no idea
if the Plasma desktop can work without it.
> > Depends: okular
>
> Even though I'm a fan, depend is a bit too much to my mind.
> I would recommend "recommend" here
Like for the video player, I think users should have a mean to read their
documents in a basic setup.
> > Recommends: plasma-nm --> change to: Depends
>
> I don't use it + it must use kwallet; so recommend is enough to my mind
I'm reconsidering this and I agree that "recommends" maybe is enough.
> Then "kde-plasma-desktop"
> Depends: kde-baseapps
> Which in turn [...]
I'll reply in a next mail. Meanwhile I would like to gather the comments and
firstly draft a bug report for the packages task-kde-desktop and kde-standard
and then proceed in order.
Thank you!
Francesco
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