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Re: debian kde will not install deb from dolphin by default


Em 05-04-2014 16:16, Facundo Aguilera escreveu:

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Fabio Rafael da Rosa <fdr@fdrout.net> wrote:

I do understand your point. I don't think the command line is difficult. I'm on linux and debian for a long time already, I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the 'average' user. They, on average, will _not_ want to learn command line, or anything else. They don't want customize anything. They just want it to work, by default. And, the point I'm trying to make, is that the default is problematic, and risky, more risky then enabling external package installation by default.



Maybe the package can be installed by default, but with a big red
screen saying "This is dangerous! [...] risk [...] Try the following
safer alternatives first [...]".

BTW, I think that Apper is installed by default now, and it installs
.deb files from dolphin...
That's the point I'm trying to make. I think that this is the best way to handle this situation. Warn the user about the risks of what he is trying to do, but, let him do it if he really want's . Apper is installed, but, you must install gdebi-kde for it to be able to install outside debs, otherwise, it througs a cryptic (for a user) error: 'Your infrastructure does not enable you to proceed with this action' . 

On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Diederik de Haas <didi.debian@cknow.org> wrote:

Open Konsole (which is the command-line application in KDE) and execute the
following command:
sudo aptitude install gdebi-kde

Sudo doesn't work by default...
Yes, that's another problem. It is enabled, if you don't provide a password for root at the debian installer (if I'm not mistaken), but, this is not documented anywhere (in the installer). 
Otherwise, the user must use su .


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Fabio Rafael da Rosa <fdr@fdrout.net> wrote:

Hi all.
I'm asking here before writting a a bug report, to check if it is 'by
design', and, if it is, why.
I just made a fresh wheezy install and choose kde as the desktop environment
from the installer.
After the first boot, I did download google-chrome from the website, and
tried to install it, without success.
I did test this, because I'll make this install to a friend, to replace his
Window XP.
I did check that, for being able to install something from the UI, with a
double click, I must install gdebi-kde.


I think that the packaged "chromium" is a better choice. You can say
to your friend "You don't need to search the web and download things,
it's simpler, just type this command...".
I like chromium, but there is a big problem: It does not have flash support out of the box. For enabling it, we must install the flash-nonfree from non-free repo, but, that's the previous NAPI version of it. It's (more) unsave and not supported by adobe anymore. The 'official' supported flash player is the PAPI version that comes with Chrome (not chromium) .
I understand that trying to educate is good, but, again, debian does not have every software available to the world, packaged. For example, there is no dropbox, or spotify. 

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Fabio Rafael da Rosa
fdr@fdrout.net
http://fdrout.net
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