Re: kaffe orphaned? (extended reply)
On Wednesday 8 September 1999, at 21 h 8, the keyboard of "Ean R . Schuessler"
<ean@novare.net> wrote:
> Despite this, Mike
> Goldman has decided to make out that I have "orphaned" Kaffe.
The assumption was certainly false, but anyone can have doubts
when reading the bug list of kaffe. Of course, making a NMU without
asking first is rude and incorrect.
> - Stephen has filed a bug against kaffe stating that it does not
> comply with his arguably half conceived Java policy.
My name is Stéphane. You can drop the accent on the first e if it
is more convenient.
Thanks for the "half conceived". The proposed Java policy has been
sent on this list several months ago and discussed and modified many
times. <http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/>
> - This policy is not a part of official Java policy.
What is official in Debian? You seem to think that the only worthy
texts have been blessed by some authority. The Perl policy have not been:
people on debian-perl discussed it and it was adopted by rough consensus.
Same thing for the Emacs policy. Do you mean the Debian Project Leader or
any other official body has to formally approve any decision which is
taken to improve Debian?
> - Stephen has somewhat suspiciously slipped his policy into the
> official mirrored distribution.
I hesitate on this one. After many messages on the list announcing the
release of java-common and its inclusion of the proposed policy
<http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-java-9907/msg00015.html>, the
words "suspiciously slipped" are insulting. Should I get really angry or
did I miss something? Anyway, I accept in advance your apologies.
> This seems to blur the issue
> with regard to how "official" this policy is.
The current policy says (I respect the capitalization):
PROPOSED Debian policy for Java
...
An important warning: this text is a proposal. I put it here, publically,
so it can be read, discussed, implemented, ignored, etc. It has no sort of
endorsement from any authority in Debian or elsewhere.
If it is "blurred", it means I should never try to write in English.
> - Close the "policy" bugs that have been filed against Kaffe.
You forgot to say that it was labelled "wishlist". Closing a wishlist bug
without any delay for the discussion (bug 44459 was closed yesterday) is
rude and certainly does not help to convince that you do a good job as a
maintainer. Bugs are several years old and still not closed. Bug 44459
was closed in less than a day.
> - File a bug stating that the "java-common" package should be removed
"Then, it will be war" (J. Caesar, 51 BC)
> If you gentlemen would like to settle down, try to be constructive and
> follow some reasonable procedure then I am willing to try and work
> through these Debian-Java issues with you.
The proposed Java policy has been discussed many times here. What prevented
you for joining the discussion?
> If you persist in using
> ill-conceived tactics and pressuring me with poorly fabricated
> criticisms then I will be forced to expand the scope of this inquiry
> beyond the context of the Debian-Java lists.
You're welcome. Everything that I wrote here is public. I can imagine the
leader or the people in the TC learning that debian-java people cannot work
together and need their vote (it is even possible that nobody in the TC
programs with Java...)
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