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Re: Password file with over 3000 users.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 10:33:34AM +0200, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 05:34:07PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> > > So, you would rather that things stay the same rather than improve (and
> > > potentially break)?  There is an operating system targeted at just that
> On 25.09.07 18:25, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > actually, it's replacing bash with ash/dash as the default sh which has
> > the potential to break things.

[ i note that you carefully deleted the paragraphs about locally written
scripts - presumably because you have no answer and wish to ignore it
and hope nobody notices. ]

> > changing something that will break things for the majority in order
> > to cater for a miniscule minority (embedded systems developers) is a
> > ludicrous proposition. it makes no sense at all.
> those things are already broken. using dash as /bin/sh will not break them.

no, those locally written ARE NOT BROKEN.

bash has been /bin/sh on debian systems for over a decade. it is
perfectly reasonable for a local sysadmin to take advantage of the
non-POSIX features of the debian standard /bin/sh.

you may choose to write your sh scripts in pure POSIXLY_CORRECT form,
but that DOES NOT invalidate the choices of others.

> replacing /bin/sh with /bin/bash is easy to do...

it may be easy but it's not necessary because it's already the default.

it's even easier (and far less work for far fewer people) for the
miniscule minority who want an archaic sh to replace it on their
systems, or on their debian-derivative embedded distros.

just file bug reports on any debian packages that aren't POSIX
compliant, get them fixed, and use dash on your systems. that way, those
who want dash can have it, and those of us who don't wont even have to
know about or give a damn one way or the other.

but forcing your personal desires on everyone else just because you
think it's better/smaller/neater/more-aesthetically-pleasing or whatever
stupid reason you have AND because you don't give a shit how many
systems belonging to other people you break is both brain-damaged AND
maliciously stupid.

you might have had a chance to make ash/dash the default sh 12 or 13
years ago if a) you were around, and b) ash was around (it wasn't.
certainly not in debian and probably not anywhere AFAICR). but you
weren't and it wasn't. the issue was settled years ago. deal with it and
move on.


craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>

BOFH excuse #243:

The computer fleetly, mouse and all.

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