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..idea; ddos spam hosts off Internet?, was: ...please



On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:27:30 +1000, Russell wrote in message 
<200404081727.30096.russell@coker.com.au>:

> On Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:17, David Stanaway <david@stanaway.net> wrote:
> > > But of course a spammer could use someone else's email address. 
> > > The solution
> > > to this is to moderate every message that has an unknown
> > > combination of From:
> > > field and IP address.  There is no software support for this yet.
> >
> > How about moderating email coming from a new ip/24 for the member
> > until a post is accepted, or the ip or address is blocked.
> 
> Using a /24 should not offer much benefit.  IMHO we should block
> direct connections from dial-up systems (they should use the mail
> server from their ISP), so there should only be a small number of IP
> addresses per user.
> 
> The number of ISPs which transparently direct the user to multiple
> outbound mail relays without them being aware of it is quite small. 
> Usually the user has one IP address for sending per ISP.
> 

..another idea; DDOS'ing spam hosts _off_ the net, say by using other 
spam hosts as DOS relays?  Spam headers contain the originating ip, 
and 2 such _can_ be set up to DOS each other.  _Etc_.

..these spam hosts are commonly virus infected Wintendo's without the 
owner knowing, as such unsuspecting owners feel their box appears to
work normally.

..these virus infected Wintendos should be taken off-line, anyway, 
and made secure. And isp's should have a policy on such abuse, 
and enforce it.

..on the spam hosting isp's failure to stop his spamming, other isp's
should be able to protect themselves and their own clients from the
abusive spam hosting isp's.  

..outside Internet, similar action is warranted in many jurisdictions,
by laws governing emergencies, for example, breaking into your neighbors
house to take his computer is a criminal offence, but may be warranted
if his house is ablaze and you know the loss of his data will destroy 
his business.

..Bill Gates' proposal of email-for-a-fee-to-Microsoft to solve this, is
IMHO pure racism, as is Nigeria's 419 legislation, as it effectively
denies all other Africans and many Asians the access to the free 
email that you and I enjoy.

..now, I also see the need for an http://ordb.org/ style ruling body
that isp's run-off-the-net-by-DDOS'ing-spam-hosts, can turn to once 
they have cleaned up their messy networks.

..and, ofcourse the spammers can fight back, they control, is it like
400 mill Wintendo boxes?  A problem with that and the protect-your-box
policy we have now, is the spammers don't need access to regular mail
relays, as they have their own backbone, the 400 or whatever million 
Wintendo boxes.   All of these are hosted by isp's, no?

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.



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