On Sunday 29 June 2003 05:39, Gene Grimm wrote: > Has anyone heard any details about Gates' new ideas on how to "block" > spam? [...] > First, he wants to create a "challenge response" scheme [...]This is what > I fear: > 3. Recipient's mail client downloads incoming message for analysis > 4. Recipient's client does not recognize sender and sends 'challenge' Hmm. As far as I understood, it should be a thing between the MTAs, with the MUAs not being involved. But this would of course require the MTA to have a database of all recognised mail senders, which is really easy to do with a highly integrated mail system where the MTA does many MUA things, too, and the MUA is just a browser - much the way M$ is trying to load more and more functionality on the mail server and have the mail client be just a window that launches an explorer instance to display an activeX control to display the mail.... which of course helps locking the customer of such a system to the M$ platform ... > I think Gates' second idea is more of a joke. He wants to require mail > senders to "offer cash" to the recipient. The recipient would get the The idea to have email work the same way as the snail mail service is absolutely not new. But I guess now that the Big Bill has proposed it, it will be discussed again. The conclusion will probably be the same: since pretty much everybody can set up an email system, it will basically never work. The first ISP trying to require this for messages sent to his customers would be out of the market quite quickly. I guess this goes even for big names - how many customers would aol have after two weeks if 80% of the non-AOL Internet can't send mail to AOL? (look at history: how long did the various messaging systems like compuserve, fido, the old AOL, ... continue to live after integration with internet email has become the standard?) cheers -- vbi -- No good deed goes unpunished.