Osamu, On 2020-07-13 17:30, Osamu Aoki wrote:
We can always check distribution to change "auto" behavior to accommodate Ubuntu needs. I am open for such patch and I think we are talking now to come up with such mutually agreeable solution. If you look at debian/rules, you see my attitude to accommodate distribution choices as much as possible without conflict.
Thanks for reminding of that. I have added a similar distro check to default/im-config in the devel branch, and with that it will be possible for Ubuntu to sync the im-config source from Debian for the first time instead of merging with a delta.
I'm aware of the possibility to do something similar to revert the effects of Changwoo's proposal in Ubuntu. OTOH our disagreement is not really a Debian vs. Ubuntu thing, so I'm reluctant to do that.
On 2020-07-13 18:17, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Fri, 2020-07-10 at 22:13 +0200, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:On 2020-07-10 05:23, Osamu Aoki wrote:* What exactly is the concern to add workaround approach proposed by Changwoo to the im-config.The most important reason IMO is the way that change would affect the UI for explicitly setting the desired IM framework. The change would affect all IM users,Let's work on solution which doesn't do such thing. ...If you know that* GNOME launches and configures IBus by itself when im-config is disabled ("none"),* enabling im-config by setting "ibus" explicitly changes the configuration so IBus works differently behind the scenes compared with how GNOME is designed to make use of IBus, andI don't think we want "ibus" selection to do something else behund anyone. I want "auto" to select "ibus" or "none"
TBH I find those two positions contradictory. Why? Because the result of Changwoo's proposal to let "auto" select between "ibus" and "none" effectively changes the meaning of the "ibus" choice and with that the way the UI works for IBus users on GNOME on Wayland. And my opinion still is that that would be bad design. (Won't repeat my arguments again.)
Anyway, we can't keep discussing this forever. I have a feeling that you tend to find Changwoo's arguments more convincing than mine. In that case I 'lose'. I would be able to handle that. The sun would still rise the day after.
There has been quite some talk about Ubuntu during this discussion, which is actually weird considering that Ubuntu is still on X and thus utterly few Ubuntu users will be affected short-term of whatever route is chosen. So I would suggest that we stop bothering about Ubuntu for now. There is plenty of time for me and other Ubuntu folks to consider possible Ubuntu specific aspects later.
For Debian, OTOH, the matter is urgent, since Debian uses Wayland by default.
So I would urge you to make up your mind and upload to unstable soon - with or without Changwoo's MR. Then a stable update can be considered based on that and <https://wiki.debian.org/InputMethodBuster> can be cleaned up from the talk about ibus fake uninstall etc.
-- Gunnar Hjalmarsson https://launchpad.net/~gunnarhj