Re: [Galeon-devel] Re: galeon (not) in Debian stable
On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 23:34, Sebastien Bacher wrote:
> Mark Howard <mh@debian.org> writes:
>
> > The reason Debian is so great and the reason Debian is different to
> > other distributions is the quality of its packages. Users can expect to
> > install Debian once and then upgrade every couple of years, taking just a
> > few minutes of their time. They should then be able to use the system
> > pretty much as before - Most importantly, no need to upgrade any
> > packages or spend hours configuring things. To make this possible, the
> > software we ship has to be stable, well tested and IMHO, complete.
Its worth pointing out that a lot of the bugs currently reported in the
debian bts are fixed, and some have been for quite a while. The RC bug
is fixed in CVS.
For instance in a quick glance through the debian bts
#196646, #205434, #200012, #190142, #106884, #189988, #191696, #186862,
#186862, #143950 are all fixed
#190159 - the view source in external editor is not missing, right click
on the page, open with -> emacs
#112369 was reported upstream, then closed as a problem on the debian
side
#182486, #191413, #192420, #197320 are all fixed using moz 1.4
#138417 is no longer relevant for galeon 1.3.x
> > - Many usability issues reported. I really like galeon; having a broken
> > version (wrt usability) in Debian is likely to damage galeon's
> > reputation with its current users.
There is a difference between usability and missing options...
> > - I'm releasing cvs snapshots weekly (ish). Every one fixes bugs and
> > brings improvements and new features. When do we stop doing this and
> > say this version will go into sarge? We cannot release with a cvs
> > snapshot from a few weeks before sarge is relased
The problem with release CVS snapshots is that that is what they are,
you can't expect a snapshot to be as stable as a proper release. For
instance the latest snapshot 20030813 has quite a major bug that causes
lockups and crashes.
> > - General unfinished feel. I think Debian releases should be polished
> > products. Galeon currently lacks documentation, has many options
> > hidden away, has some big bugs in places (printing crashes a lot for
> > me, focus sometimes changes when pages load in background tabs,
> > refresh bypassing X options don't work).
The focus problems are known about, as Christope pointed out they exist
in all gtkmozembed browsers, yes even epiphany has problems.
> > - Although less important, we should take note that gnome and red hat
> > have not included galeon.
What gnome and red hat have of have not included really shouldn't impact
on whether galeon is in debian. If you want to play that game it is also
worth pointing out that ximian use gnome over epiphany.
Cheers
Crispin
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