Re: G2D problem with window managers
On Sun, 2002-08-04 at 21:17, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 04, 2002 at 02:47:53PM -0400, Sean Middleditch wrote:
> > > In fact, it's true that with the G1.4 control center the user could
> > > easily choose the WM he wanted to be launched, that (good) feature has
> > > been removed, don't know why...
> >
> > Becuase most users shouldn't even know what a WM is. Most *don't* know
> > what a WM is (assuming you are not talking about a UNIX-savvy user).
> > Just as w/ KDE, where alternate WM's can be used, there should be but
> > one single WM for GNOME that just does what it should. Metacity isn't
> > yet up to par, but I believe once it is, Sawfish will be phased out, and
> > Metacity will remain as the only good GNOME WM.
>
> Man that will suck, given the small but important list of features Havoc
> _refuses_ to implement.
>
> Havoc is not writing a practical window manager, he's writing an
> ideologically pure one. If I have to choose between Gnome and the ability
> to use my desktop, I will choose a usable desktop. Given all of the hype
> about how accessable Gnome2 supposedly is, it's amazing how many features
> I _train other low vision users to use_ he simply doesn't like for some
> reason or another and therefore will not have in Metacity.
Ah, these I am unaware of... the only things I've heard him refuse to
implement are the "weird" features like separate viewports/workspaces...
>
> It's quite clear that my needs don't matter to him, and based on the
> reaction I get to requests for these features (many of which used to be in
> G1D), I would gather not many other people outside of Sun do either.
>
Sorry, outside of Sun?
>
> Just last night, when I commented about a problem with gnome-terminal and
> epic, I was told that I should be using xchat rather than some terminal
> based irc client. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see much real interest
> in whether or not Gnome works with anything but Gnome, including former
> Gnome1.4 users.
Depends on who you talk to. One or two people can be asses, doesn't
mean the whole project is against you. So far as using x-chat goes..
that's one nasty, and not at all GNOME-based, IRC client. ~,^
Gnome-terminal does indeed suck very badly, but there appears to be a
new terminal widget in the works, which may fix your problems, once it's
released. I know the current widget (zvt or whatever its called) gives
me no end of head-aches...
>
> --
> Joseph Carter <knghtbrd@bluecherry.net> You want fries with that?
>
> <Overfiend> partycle: I seriously do need a vacation from this package.
> I actually had a DREAM about introducing a stupid new bug
> into xbase-preinst last night. That's a Bad Sign.
>
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