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Re: [desktop] why kde and gnome's menu situation sucks

On 10/24/2002 10:42 PM, Miles Bader at miles@lsi.nec.co.jp wrote:

> Luke Seubert <ls.maillist@verizon.net> writes:
>> I am not quite sure what you mean.  I don't think the whole menu
>> structure is being based upon any one piddling detail - but I am not sure
>> which piddling detail you mean.  Please clarify a bit so that I can
>> understand and then address your concern properly.
> The message to which I originally responded said:
> Daniel Stone <dstone@kde.org> writes:
>> personally think GNOME/KDE should offer their own menus, with a submenu
>> in each category for "Non-{GNOME,KDE} Applications". I don't see a
>> problem with this, i.e. how our KDE3 packages do it.
> It's this sort of menus which I don't like.
It would be a bit clunky from an elegant UI point of view - yes.

> It's probably the case that presenting every single installed application
> in the menus would confuse and annoy some people, so debian menus should
> probably allow filtering what is presented.
> One filtering criteria could be:
> `If there are several apps of type X installed, and one of them is a
> "native" application for the currently running windowing environment
> (e.g. Gnome or KDE), then only present that one, and hide the others'
> [and hopefully the list of criteria would be stored in a file somewhere,
> so that I could change it to suit my personal preferences!]
OK, now I understand what you mean.  By and large, we are in complete
agreement I think.  GTK apps show up in the Gnome menu, while QT apps show
up in the KDE menu, unless the user changes a menu setting, say from "Basic
Menu" to "Advanced Menu", to show both kinds of apps under either menu.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify things so we could understand each
other properly.

> I don't think it's bad to prejudice the displayed menus toward the `current
> environment', but I think the difference between the menus displayed when
> using a Gnome desktop and those displayed when using a KDE desktop should
> be fairly minor -- along the lines of different apps showing up in certain
> places, but _not_ rearranging the whole menu structure.
Absolutely.  I agree with this.  Same menu structure regardless of desktop
environment or window manager, just different actual choices under "Web
Browser" suitable to the respective environment/desktop.

> In other words, we should be using a unified Debian menu structure with
> appropriate tweaks for certain environments (and in particular, _not_ using
> the default Gnome/KDE menu structures).

See, we are all happy now singing in lovely two part harmony ;-)

Luke Seubert

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