On Sun, Jun 09, 2002 at 04:05:53AM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> > Matched windows are a bummer in Metacity at the moment, Havoc I believe
> > has said they are 'crack' but I'm sure if enough pester him he'll either
> > add them or come up with an alternative solution.
>
> To a great extent, matched windows are a WM-level hack for badly behaving
> applications. And Havoc is right - the applications should be fixed, rather
> than adding crackrock stuff to the window manager.
The problem is when you want them to do something that an application
can't do, like specify which workspace it should be spawned on.
Havoc told me XMMS doesn't work right because it's not session-aware, for
example. Fix it and this will not happen anymore. Zinx Verituse tells me
that if there's crack involved, Havoc is smoking it. XMMS _cannot_ tell a
window manager what workspace to spawn on, regardless of session
management. And the session-awareness is already in XMMS, as evidence
that this is so. He did warn that I would have to disable hiding of the
window frame for it to work, and I followed his instructions.
Since no other application I've ever seen, session aware or otherwise, has
the ability to configure which workspace it spawns to, I'm inclined to
believe Zinx is right, and Havoc is living a dellusional fantasy where X11
does not suck.
This isn't the only thing he won't do which a great number of people want
to see for whatever reasons, and Havoc steadfastly refuses to implement
nearly all of them. On my list are things like passing the focus click to
the program, raising windows durring window cycles (which I consider to be
an accessability feature given that I can't actually _SEE_ the little
border highlight he uses), and disabling of the silly animation.
That and it's highly annoying that metacity will not, when it dies,
respawn. Do you have any idea what happens when you have 40 windows open
across 10 workspaces and your window manager dies, but does not respawn?
He says a proper fix is a 30 minute job, but that was more than a week ago
that I commented on the already open bug report which already contained a
workaround patch he won't apply.
Idealism is one thing. Functionality is another. If I wanted to have
something that was being designed as an ideal solution whether or not it
was actually practical at the moment, I'd be running the HURD today
instead of Linux. But I need something that works, and I need it _now_,
not whenever the rest of the world decides to update sometimes 30 year old
programs to work with some idealistic standard which has yet to be drafted
or agreed upon by even the modern applications.
--
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<Knghtbrd> Studies prove that research causes cancer in 43% of laboratory
rats
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