Re: Fwd: Schedule information for 211 - Debian GIS BoF
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10:10 < DCschedule> Channel announcement starting, I know about 227 talks, and I think it is Tue 18 Aug 2015 10:10:35 CEST
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10:30 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam will start in 30 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
10:30 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg will start in 30 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
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10:45 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
10:45 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
10:45 < DCschedule> Multiarch/Crossbuild/Bootstrap/Toolchain minisprint by Wookey in Stockholm will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/239/multiarch-bootstrap-crossbuilding/
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10:55 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
10:55 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
10:55 < DCschedule> Multiarch/Crossbuild/Bootstrap/Toolchain minisprint by Wookey in Stockholm will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/239/multiarch-bootstrap-crossbuilding/
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11:00 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
11:00 < sebastic> video seems to be working, but no network for an3as
11:00 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
10:30 < DCschedule> Multiarch/Crossbuild/Bootstrap/Toolchain minisprint by Wookey in Stockholm will start in 30 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/239/multiarch-bootstrap-crossbuilding/
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10:45 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
10:45 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
10:45 < DCschedule> Multiarch/Crossbuild/Bootstrap/Toolchain minisprint by Wookey in Stockholm will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/239/multiarch-bootstrap-crossbuilding/
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10:55 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
10:55 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
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11:00 < DCschedule> The state of Icedove by Carsten Schönert in Berlin/London has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/226/the-state-of-icedove/
11:00 -!- DCschedule changed the topic of #debconf-amsterdam to: "Debian GIS BoF" (http://deb.at/DC211) by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam http://deb.at/VA
11:00 < DCschedule> Debian GIS BoF by Andreas Tille in Amsterdam has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/211/debian-gis-bof/
11:00 < sebastic> video seems to be working, but no network for an3as
11:00 < DCschedule> dh-dist-zilla: From dist.ini to .deb in one go by Axel Beckert in Heidelberg has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/182/dh-dist-zilla-from-distini-to-deb-in-one-go/
11:00 < DCschedule> Debian: A giant with a tiny voice? by Cédric Boutillier in Heidelberg will start in 30 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/232/debian-a-giant-with-a-tiny-voice/
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11:02 < sebastic> is someone in the room with andreas?
11:02 < sebastic> tell him that his laptop has no network anymore
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11:03 < RattusRattus> no audio
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11:03 < sebastic> indeed
11:04 < RattusRattus> need help? or is Q fixing>?
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11:07 < sebastic> eu stream is not working anymore
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11:07 < sebastic> an3as: wb!
11:07 < sebastic> video was working, but not anymore
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11:08 < holmgren> The main camera wasn't working, so we tried to reboot and now nothing works. :-P
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11:13 < an3as> sebastic, would you like to work down on the agenda
11:13 < an3as> we are seeing you here and will comment
11:13 < sebastic> ok, is anyone in the room a member of pkg-grass other that you?
11:13 < an3as> No, not
11:13 < an3as> YET
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11:14 < an3as> Sorry
11:14 < an3as> I also can't drive the discussion
11:14 < an3as> Just make some proposals for the agenda
11:14 < an3as> johanvdw seems to lurk around
11:14 < sebastic> johanvdw: what would you like to start with
11:15 < DCschedule> Debian: A giant with a tiny voice? by Cédric Boutillier in Heidelberg will start in 15 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/232/debian-a-giant-with-a-tiny-voice/
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11:15 < sebastic> the qgis-grass issue seems a good topic to start with
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11:15 < johanvdw> Hi all
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11:15 < sebastic> an3as: what do the people in the know about Debian GIS?
11:16 < sebastic> s/known/want to know/
11:17 < sebastic> in general I want to say to anyone interested in what's happening in the Debian GIS team to follow the debian-gis list
11:17 < an3as> Just a little bit
11:17 < an3as> the question was "How can I 'easily' create an OSM server"
11:17 < an3as> I directed to http://blends.debian.org/gis/tasks/osm
11:17 < an3as> Can't say more personaly
11:18 < an3as> Q: Generate own data file for monav
11:18 < an3as> ??
11:18 < sebastic> good question, setting up an planet DB server and/or tile server is not easy
11:18 < an3as> I just suggested to read the Debian GIS list (and even post questions there)
11:18 < an3as> :-)
11:18 < johanvdw> In fact many possible versions of an OSM server are possible.
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11:19 < sebastic> there is some work going on setting up OSM infrastructure on Debian, see: https://wiki.debian.org/OSM/tileserver/jessie
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11:19 < cate> I got a OSM server. It is only slow to do it, but not so complex. On cate on osm wiki you have instruction for debian machines, and thing installed on a local account
11:19 < sebastic> ideally we get an osm-tileserver osm-planet tasks that set that all up
11:19 < sebastic> that needs a lot of development still
11:19 < johanvdw> Depending on your needs, you may need a completely different setup
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11:21 < sebastic> an3as: any other questions from the room?
11:21 < johanvdw> We use extracts of OSM in mobile applications eg, it would be a bad idea to use the full DB for that. The extraction was done on debian :-)
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11:21 < an3as> Next question in the room was: Please be more verbose about grass - qgis upgrade
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11:22 < sebastic> what would the people in the room like to happen with QGIS & GRASS?
11:22 < an3as> Its from a qgis user from cape town
11:22 < sebastic> I'm not using grass myself, so I cannot judge it as a users, only as package maintainer
11:22 < an3as> My quick answer: Make latest QGIS work.
11:22 < an3as> I thinkl it was libgrass - just this library that is used by QGIS
11:23 < sebastic> I want to move GRASS 7 to unstable soon after the GCC 5 transitions
11:23 < johanvdw> I'm +1 on using grass7 in unstable
11:23 < an3as> (assume I'm to stupid to know the details behind)
11:23 < sebastic> I'll disable the qgis-plugin-grass until we get it to work with GRASS 7
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11:23 < sebastic> the GRASS upstream community complained that we don't have GRASS 7 in Debian & Ubuntu yet because QGIS is holding it back
11:24 < sebastic> more details about that are in my mail to the debian-gis list from yesterday
11:24 < an3as> I ask people to ask questions themselves
11:24 < sebastic> I'd really like the upstream GRASS packagers to be more involved in the Debian packaging, but we can't seem to make that work yet
11:25 < DCschedule> Debian: A giant with a tiny voice? by Cédric Boutillier in Heidelberg will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/232/debian-a-giant-with-a-tiny-voice/
11:25 < an3as> OK, people should read the list - (I currently do not manage the full mail flow)
11:25 < DCschedule> Keeping PostgreSQL 8.4 alive for squeeze LTS by Michael Banck in Berlin/London will start in 5 minutes https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/266/keeping-postgresql-8-4-alive-for-squeeze-lts/
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11:25 < johanvdw> sebastic: upstream Grass definitely wants that as well, I talked to them on FOSS4G europe
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11:25 < sebastic> johanvdw: so what about a grass packaging sprint?
11:26 < an3as> I'd REALLY recommend sprints
11:26 < valessio`br> hi all, streaming not found? http://video.debconf.org:8000/amsterdam.ogv - 404 - The file you requested could not be found
11:26 < sebastic> your blends talk reminded me that I should push that idea some more
11:26 < an3as> You should review my talk from last saturday about the effects of sprints
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11:26 < an3as> The video will be online soonish!
11:26 < holmgren> OK, we have video for now
11:26 < sebastic> I really liked the OSGeo C tribe sprint in Vienna, I'd like to tag along with Debian GIS next time
11:27 < sebastic> video + audio \o/
11:27 < johanvdw> I think sprints are best aligned with upstream (eg foss4g) rather than debian
11:27 < an3as> Attaching to some event seems to be a pretty good idea since the organisation might be more simple
11:28 < sebastic> an3as: show your slide while you can ;)
11:28 < an3as> The slide with the sprints effects from my last talk?
11:28 < johanvdw> OSGeo Belgium is considering to organise a codesprint next to FOSDEM, but nothing has been decided yet
11:28 < an3as> Slides are online at
11:29 < an3as> https://people.debian.org/~tille/talks/20150814_debconf_mom/mom.pdf
11:29 < sebastic> basically the maintainer stats and blends improvements you wanted to talk about
11:29 < an3as> graphics are at the end
11:29 < sebastic> valessio: the x264 stream works
11:29 < an3as> Sprints started at 2011 - just the the change there
11:29 < DCschedule> lunch in cafeteria will start in 30 minutes
11:30 < wouter> valessio: hardware issues in the room
11:30 < johanvdw> Next topic?
11:30 < wouter> slightly fixed, but not really
11:30 < DCschedule> Debian: A giant with a tiny voice? by Cédric Boutillier in Heidelberg has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/232/debian-a-giant-with-a-tiny-voice/
11:30 < DCschedule> Keeping PostgreSQL 8.4 alive for squeeze LTS by Michael Banck in Berlin/London has just begun https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/266/keeping-postgresql-8-4-alive-for-squeeze-lts/
11:30 < sebastic> johanvdw: upcoming transitions?
11:30 < an3as> People might run away to different events if nothing happens here
11:31 < sebastic> is anyone left in the room?
11:31 < an3as> Yes, they have their laptops open ;-)
11:31 < johanvdw> you want to chase them out ;-) ?
11:31 < an3as> No. This Bof became a "silent hacklab"
11:31 < sebastic> no, I want their input :)
11:31 < an3as> We have other hacklabs with more noise ;-)
11:32 < an3as> Now some attendee fetched his laptop from outside and wants to join IRC with questions
11:32 < johanvdw> I think the transitions have been documented quite well in mail.
11:32 < sebastic> please do, I'd like to hear from the user base!
11:32 < an3as> I told him to since it is hard to do a voice2irc translation for me
11:32 < an3as> There is no real user base here, sorry
11:32 < johanvdw> I wonder how we could help with them
11:32 < an3as> you all are missing!
11:33 < an3as> Please make it a developer meeting as long as there are no question and work down your agenda
11:33 < johanvdw> Registrations were closed, otherwise I would have come.
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11:34 < an3as> johanvdw: That's a shame. I guess you could have come anyway
11:34 < sebastic> hardly anyone from the GIS team being at DebConf is a bug, we should fix that :)
11:34 < an3as> Please ask me next time to negotiate
11:34 < an3as> Its a *serious* bug
11:35 < an3as> Debian GIS will be removed from testing in 10 days
11:35 < an3as> Room is totally silent all are watching IRC
11:35 < sebastic> but since others in the team have expressed a preverence to OSGeo events as venues for in person meetings, I think something like that will happen before another DebConf
11:36 < an3as> Once this has happened Debian GIS might migrate from unstable to testing again
11:36 < sebastic> if I file an RC bug on spatialite about the circular dependency we can easily get most GIS packages removed from testing
11:36 < an3as> circular dependencies are not necessarily RC, IMHO
11:37 < an3as> Any better idea than smalltalk?
11:37 < sebastic> my proposed plan to resolve the issue in the geos transition was focused on preventing testing removals
11:37 < johanvdw> OGC licensing
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11:38 < johanvdw> We got their attention even on the highest levels of OGC, so we should really try to do sth with that.
11:38 < sebastic> good point, I'd love to get some ftp-master input on that
11:38 < johanvdw> I was just adding some explanation to the titanpad:https://titanpad.com/cmRLP7TOPV
11:39 < johanvdw> Basically they/we want to know what changes would be needed to make the license DFSG compatible
11:39 < an3as> I'll link to titanpad on my talks page and I also add an IRC log to this place
11:39 < johanvdw> The license is here: http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//non-free/p/pycsw/pycsw_1.10.1+dfsg-2_copyright
11:40 < johanvdw> In fact the license (software license) is BSD-3
11:40 < johanvdw> But it can only be used " long as you do not use the same
11:40 < an3as> so did you followed my hint to re-explain the issue to ftpmaster
11:40 < johanvdw> formal namespace or public identifier to identify that modified OGC schema/DTD
11:40 < an3as> ?
11:40 < johanvdw> (which might confuse applications), you may treat the schema/DTD under the
11:40 < minh> one question about gvsig: Some time ago it was a binary package. Has that changed yet
11:40 < an3as> There it is another user question!!!
11:41 < sebastic> minh: good question, I'm not very familiar with the package, but I don't expect anything to have changed
11:41 < johanvdw> I believe upstream provides a binary package for OSGeo live
11:41 < an3as> tracker.debian.org has no package gvsig
11:42 < johanvdw> It is based on the java stack, so needs among others geotools
11:43 < an3as> I havn't found it at packages.d.o or any web search in bugs.debian.org
11:44 < johanvdw> an3as, in debian med you sometimes have java packages which don't have all dependencies packaegd, do I remember it correctly?
11:44 < an3as> unfortunately yes.
11:44 < an3as> these hang around in non-free
11:44 < an3as> I'd love to have additional 2-3 hours per day for working on this
11:44 < DCschedule> lunch in cafeteria will start in 15 minutes
11:45 < an3as> I've got the signal of time over
11:45 < an3as> Usually there is to little time for the BoFs
11:45 < johanvdw> The problem is that a lot of dependencies have to be packaged before anything useful can be done with them
11:45 < an3as> We had a bit too much
11:45 < an3as> Video will be turned off
11:46 < sebastic> we can move the chat over to #debian-gis and everything else to the debian-gis@ list
11:46 < johanvdw> ok, can anyone save this chat history (mine is incomplete)
11:46 < sebastic> an3as: thanks for having the BoF and all your work for Debian GIS
11:47 < an3as> You are welcome
11:47 < an3as> Next time you should consider joing DebConf seriously
11:48 < an3as> I'll cut from IRC now since I'll move around for lunch (you have seen DCschedule ;-))
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