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Re: [PATCH] proposed v3 source format using .git.tar.gz

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 01:10:00 +1000, Anthony Towns <aj@azure.humbug.org.au> said: 

> On Mon, Oct 08, 2007 at 09:16:52AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> In any case, I think the kinds of actions taken by joey's and Colin's
>> patches are probably not things that we'll have to do to support
>> shipping an arh working directory in the source packagel if we have
>> {arch} and .arch-id dirs in the source, the end user has access to
>> the distributed version control system;

> Joey's thing lets you do a clean tarball that only contains the git
> (or bzr, or darcs) information, and recreates the working directory by
> a checkout.

        Well, an additional factor is that git/bzr/darcs contains all
 the data required in the .git/.bzr/.darcs directories  to recreate all
 the sources, and do the diffs, etc, which is not the case with arch --
 rch does not follow the model where every checkout is a repo; so the
 checked dirs do not have all the info (you refer to the repo for the
 rest).  Unless you use {arch}/++pristine trees, which I have not used
 in years.

        [Snip bunches of git/bzr/darcs material]

> What's the point of that?

> There may not be any -- if you're just packaging something that's
> completely straightforward, just adding a pointer to the official
> repository is probably the most sensible thing to do anyway; whether
> that be a subversion url or a tla grab file, or something else, and
> you can already do that.

        Right. I am not sure what I package is always trivial, though.

> Where it starts becoming relevant (afaics) is when there's a
> Debian-specific patch history (either due to it being a native
> package, complicated packaging, or significant patches against
> upstream) and we want the archive, as the primary way we distribute
> the source, to include a real change history rather than a simple
> snapshot.

        This seems to fit my use case; I have often large feature
 branches that only sporadically get merged back upstream.

        The question is, how do I do this if I use arch as a version
 control system? I can, or course, start shipping  a cacherev + patches,
 but that can be large; and might not mean much unless I also ship all
 the feature branches and upstream branch at the same time; which can
 blow up badly: see the ps for details.

        If we just look at lenny, and I want to provide people with full
 details of all changes that have been made in various feature branches
 and upstream and debian packaging for lenny (etcvh is somewhat larger),
 I get:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
3.0M    fvwm--autotools--2.5.18/
368K    fvwm--autotools--2.5.21/
88K     fvwm--autotools--2.5.23/
3.0M    fvwm--debian--2.5.18/
356K    fvwm--debian--2.5.21/
5.3M    fvwm--debian--2.5.23/
3.1M    fvwm--devo--2.5.18/
392K    fvwm--devo--2.5.21/
1.7M    fvwm--devo--2.5.23/
3.0M    fvwm--terminal-emulator--2.5.18/
360K    fvwm--terminal-emulator--2.5.21/
1.5M    fvwm--terminal-emulator--2.5.23/
2.9M    fvwm--upstream--2.5.18/
344K    fvwm--upstream--2.5.21/
1.5M    fvwm--upstream--2.5.23/
600K    debian-dir--fvwm--0.1/
27M  total
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

	What I ship currently:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
 132 /usr/local/src/arch/done/fvwm_2.5.23-2.diff.gz
   8 /usr/local/src/arch/done/fvwm_2.5.23-2.dsc
3244 /usr/local/src/arch/done/fvwm_2.5.23.orig.tar.gz
3.3M total.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

        This is almost an order of magnitude increase in size, which I
 find hard to justify.

        I still think that shipping a full working dir, with no dpkg
 changes, seem to be the way to go, along with a tla grab file, which I
 think I should consider putting into the package itself (If I can work
 around the chicken and egg issue of adding a grab file changes the
 source revision which means the grab file should change which means a
 new revision is needed  ....)

>> I am not sure how the pritine-tar bit fits in into the picture yet.

> I don't think it really does; though it makes it possible to confirm
> that the point in the repo that claims to match some upstream release,
> really does match the official tarball of that release from upstream,
> which might have some use.

> pristine-tar seems mostly useful for generating a v1 source package
> purely from a remote repository; this allows you to turn a repository
> _into_ a (v3) source package.

        Thanks for the clarification.

ps: This is from my lenny archive

1.8M    angband--autotools--3.0/
1.8M    angband--debian--3.0/
1.8M    angband--devo--3.0/
1000K   angband-doc--devel--3.0/
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952K    calc--debian--2.0/
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176K    checkpolicy--upstream--2.0.1/
216K    cvs-buildpackage--devel--0.2/
116K    debian-dir--angband--1.0/
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264K    debian-dir--vm--1.0/
92K     debian-dir--wm-icons--1.0/
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276K    devotee--devel--0.1/
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640K    dist--upstream--3.70/
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1.2M    flex--devo--2.5.33/
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1.1M    flex--non-asni-fn-fix--
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3.1M    fvwm--devo--2.5.18/
392K    fvwm--devo--2.5.21/
1.7M    fvwm--devo--2.5.23/
3.0M    fvwm--terminal-emulator--2.5.18/
360K    fvwm--terminal-emulator--2.5.21/
1.5M    fvwm--terminal-emulator--2.5.23/
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344K    fvwm--upstream--2.5.21/
1.5M    fvwm--upstream--2.5.23/
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104K    libgraphics-colorobject-perl--upstream--0.0/
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712K    mailagent--devo--3.0/
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344K    psgml--upstream--0.1/
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I left my WALLET in the BATHROOM!!
Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@acm.org> <http://www.golden-gryphon.com/>
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