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Bug#860970: marked as done (release-notes: MariaDB vs MySQL section 2.2.3 needs clarifying on how to perform the upgrade)

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has caused the Debian Bug report #860970,
regarding release-notes: MariaDB vs MySQL section 2.2.3 needs clarifying on how to perform the upgrade
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Package: release-notes
Severity: normal

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I am very glad to see section 2.2.3 in the release-notes. However, I don't
think it is clear from the current text that there will not be any *-server
installed if no precausion is taken (at least, that is my experience and
understanding of the dependencies). mysql-server will be uninstalled during the
upgrade, and only when the default-mysql-server from debian-backports is
installed will the server be automatically replaced by the MariaDB server.

I suggest something like:

MariaDB is now the default MySQL variant in Debian, at version 10.1. The
Stretch release introduces a new mechanism for switching the default variant,
using metapackages created from the mysql-defaults source package. For example,
installing the metapackage default-mysql-server will install
mariadb-server-10.1. For upgrading from jessie, it is recommended to install
this metapackage from the jessie-backports archive so that users who have
mysql-server-5.5 or mysql-server-5.6 will have it removed and replaced
by the MariaDB equivalent. Similarly, installing default-mysql-client will
install mariadb-client-10.1.

Paul

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With introduction of src:mysql-transitional (providing dummy
mysql-server and mysql-client packages), the update to section 2.2.3 is
not needed anymore, as the mysql-server 5.5.9999+default will pull
default-mysql-server forcing the upgrade even in the case when nothing
depends on mysql-server.

Cheers,
Ondřej
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On Sat, Apr 29, 2017, at 23:44, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> You don't have to run apt-get upgrade first. Just running apt install 
> default-mysql-server should do the job.
> 
> 
> On 29 April 2017 22:30:40 Paul Gevers <elbrus@debian.org> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > As a starter, I have been mixing 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade'
> > in my previous e-mails. Of course one always runs 'apt-get update'
> > before anything, I always meant 'apt(-get) upgrade' where 'update' is
> > mentioned. The release-notes propose to upgrade in two steps, first with
> > apt-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade. @Otto, did you also mean
> > the two step when you talked about "The upgrade has been
> > designed to work correctly by simply running 'apt-get update' and
> > 'apt-get dist-upgrade'" or did you really mean upgrading in one step?
> >
> > On 29-04-17 21:38, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> >> Andreas,
> >>
> >> I believe that your observation is in fact correct and the `apt-get
> >> dist-upgrade` path will not upgrade mysql-5.5 to mariadb-10.1 if no
> >> other package depends on default-mysql-server.
> >>
> >> I had this conversation with Robbie when default-mysql-server was
> >> introduced, and I argued that it would be much simpler to reuse the
> >> original mysql-server name, but I wasn't able to convince him that
> >> 'mysql-server' should install mariadb-server-10.1, and there's a grain
> >> of truth that people might expect to have Oracle's MySQL server
> >> installed when they install 'mysql-server' package, so I stopped
> >> pursuing the matter.
> >>
> >> I don't think there's a better way how to approach the issue than in the
> >> release note so deep in the freeze.
> >
> > Ack.
> >
> >> What we could do (with the blessing of the release team) - is to
> >> introduce the default-mysql-server into the jessie where it would just
> >> simply mimic the existing setup, e.g. default-mysql-server would depend
> >> on mysql-server and default-mysql-client would depend on mysql-client.
> >> People could be then recommended to install default-mysql-server and
> >> default-mysql-client prior to jessie->stretch upgrade, and in turn
> >> having a smooth upgrade experience because mariadb-server-10.1 would
> >> then installed during apt-get dist-upgrade step.
> >
> > Sounds like a plan. But still, would my proposal for the text in the
> > release-notes not achieving nearly this without changes required in
> > jessie? My proposal being: run apt-get upgrade, apt-get install
> > default-mysql-server, apt-get dist-upgrade. I must admit I haven't
> > tested this and there may be issues I don't see.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
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