Having said that, it sounds like one of the goofiest things I have heard of recently, and I can not see ever having a use for it. But that does not remotely mean that it should be disallowed. I have done my share of coding little functions which I adore, but which most people have not heard of, and would have little interest in. It doesn't ruin my day. I'll share, but I am Customer Number One.
With gender-guesser, if I ever saw it on a list of available modules, I'd say "Huh, sounds like trouble waiting to happen. No, thanks." and that would be all. It may be well-intentioned, but most people aren't triggered if a computer gets their gender wrong, and those that are triggered by that sort of thing tend to go full Karen if the guess is wrong. Therefore you may be setting yourself up for primarily intense and negative feedback.
On 7/15/22 19:01, Marvin Renich wrote:
* Jeremy Bicha <jeremy.bicha@canonical.com> [220714 10:06]:On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 2:41 PM Roberto C. Sánchez <roberto@debian.org> wrote:On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 11:14:43AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:edward@4angle.com wrote:Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Edward Betts <edward@4angle.com> X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, debian-python@lists.debian.org * Package name : gender-guesser Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Israel Saeta Pérez <israel@lead-ratings.com> * URL : https://github.com/lead-ratings/gender-guesser * License : GPL-3 & GFDL-1.2+ Programming Lang: Python Description : Guess the gender from first nameOh, not *another* package that tries to guess things from names. Do you have a real use for this package?Why in the world is that even a relevant question? There are plenty of packages in the archive which are useful to essentially nobody apart from the maintainer and there are even packages which are maintained without being useful to the maintainer at all (but rather useful to others).There are a *lot* of issues in this area, and mis-gendering people is not something to risk lightly..."There are a *lot* of issues in this area" seems rather nebulous. In which area? Given the fact that we have clear and rather unambiguous guidelines for what constitutes software which is appropriate for inclusion in the archive, and given that on its face this software does not seem to be in conflict with any of those guidelines, what then is the problem? BTW, I'm not interested in any sort of "well I don't like ..." or "such and such could offend so and so ..." sort of arguments.Debian has a Diversity Statement [1] which says that Debian welcomes people regardless of how they identify themselves. Trans people and non-binary people face a lot of discrimination, harrassment and bullying around the world. That bad treatment of these people is against Debian's core values. Therefore, the Debian Project wouldn't want to distribute software that appears to facilitate that kind of harassment, regardless of the software license it is released under. We might not want to distribute such software even if it also has non-harmful uses. We don't have to distribute *everything* ourselves.People within the Debian community have a right to expect that others in the community will not bully, harass, or denigrate them. They do _not_ have any right to expect that others will not offend them by discussing or making contributions that espouse values that are different and incompatible with their own. Such an expectation assumes that one set of values is correct and the other is wrong. In order for such an expectation to be met, only one of the two sets of values could exist within Debian. Saying that gender-guesser should not be packaged within Debian (using the excuse given early in this thread) is excluding a contribution based on the values to which that package adheres and possibly the contributor and the users who would like to use it. This is contrary to being inclusive. Being offended by someone else's civil expression of their values (including the packaging of a particular piece of software) is not the same as being bullied or denigrated. Please stop trying to use the excuse "it might offend someone" to block participation or inclusion of software. Instead, be inclusive and acknowledge that others' values may be different from and incompatible with yours, and accept that Debian is a collection of software from diverse sources and some of it may not adhere to your values. This is the difference between true inclusiveness and the false "political correctness" that seems to be permeating our society today. When we can all say, "I disagree with your values, but I accept you as a Debian contributor," then we will be truly inclusive. ...Marvin