Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd
Arg, typo in the list address. Sorry. :-(
On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 09:28:50PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>Hey Michael!
>
>Sorry for leaving you hanging here. Really busy week...
>
>Michael Biebl wrote:
>>Am 01.02.20 um 14:36 schrieb Steve McIntyre:
>>> Michael Biebl wrote:
>>>>
>>>> with today's upload of systemd 244.1-2 I finally enabled persistent
>>>> journal by default [1]. It has been a long requested feature.
>>>>
>>>> The package will create a directory /var/log/journal on upgrades and new
>>>> installs, which enables persistent journal in so called auto mode.
>>>
>>> Fine for new installations, but please *don't* do this for
>>> upgrades. Those people with existing logging setups will be surprised
>>> by this.
>>
>>I honestly don't like packages that behave differently depending on
>>whether they were upgraded or installed anew (given their default
>>configuration wasn't changed). I assume there would be equally as many
>>or even more surprised users that find their upgraded system behave
>>differently then their freshly installed system.
>>
>>The change here is basically just an update of the default behaviour of
>>journald. If you explicitly configured a different journald behavior via
>>Storage=, this is respected. If you already created a /var/log/journal
>>in the past, the change will be a nop.
>>
>>Existing sysloggers will continue to work after this change as before,
>>they are not directly affected by this change.
>>
>>Can you eloborate more on this what your concerns are here?
>
>This would suddenly change behaviour on existing systems with no
>persistent journal. That's my setup right now - I'm using rsyslog for
>logging, with journald just as a pass-through. After an upgrade, I'd
>get *both* persistent journal and rsyslog writing logs to disk. That's
>not ideal for anybody.
>
>>I think Didier's idea of documenting this in the release notes is a good
>>one, so I filed #950447. The NEWS entry is a good idea as well and I
>>thought about that, but decided to not add it (yet) but instead ask for
>>feedback on debian-devel first. Depending on the feedback, the content
>>of that NEWS entry might change. E.g. I was unsure whether I should
>>mention that a syslogger like rsyslog can now be uninstalled safely, as
>>the contents are now available in the journal as well. Feedback on this
>>welcome.
>
>If you're going to make a change like this, *definitely* it should be
>mentioned in NEWS, IMHO.
>
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