Re: manpages.debian.org has been modernized!
Closing the loop on this part of the discussion:
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/users/stapelberg/debiman.git/ is the
mirror on alioth, to satisfy people who don’t want to interact with
GitHub for getting the source.
https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/srv-manpages/debian-assets.git is the
canonical source of the debian-specific assets we use.
This should give you everything you need to reproduce byte-for-byte
identical output.
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:20 PM, Michael Stapelberg
<stapelberg@debian.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Ian Jackson
> <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Michael Stapelberg writes ("Re: manpages.debian.org has been modernized!"):
>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Ian Jackson
>>> > Also, I think the exact running version of Debian services should be
>>> > publicly available. And, unless this is made so easy that the service
>>> > operators don't have to think about it, it will always fall behind.
>>> > So I think this should be done automatically.
>>>
>>> All pages on manpages.debian.org already include the git revision at
>>> the bottom of the page, e.g.:
>>>
>>> debiman c17f615, see github.com/Debian/debiman
>>
>> mariner:~> curl -s 'https://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=make&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Debian+8+jessie&format=html&locale=en' | grep debiman
>> mariner:~>
>
> You’re querying the old software of manpages.debian.org which will be
> turned down soon.
>
>>
>>> Hence, you can already check out the exact running version. Is that
>>> not sufficient?
>>
>> I'm afraid not (even supposing that the lack of the commitid is just a
>> bug). For a debian.org service, I would like to be able to check out
>> the running version without interacting with a proprietary online
>> service.
>
> Would a mirror of the git repository on alioth be sufficient? I had
> planned to set that up, but didn’t get around to it yet. Any help with
> that would be very welcome.
>
>>
>> Also, what stops (answer might be workflow, technology, whatever) an
>> operator who is in a hurry directly updating the running copy without
>> pushing to github ?
>
> People with the appropriate UNIX permissions (being part of the
> “manpages” group) can of course always circumvent any workflow or
> safe-guards which are put into place.
>
> Personally, my intention is that the workflow ends up such that the
> right thing happens. As the system is new and we’re just rolling it
> out now, things are still a bit in flux.
>
> In general, I hear your concern and would like to assure you that I am
> working towards the goal of anyone being able to reproduce the exact
> output that manpages.debian.org serves. If I fail in that endeavour
> within the next month or so, please feel free to poke me again. Until
> then, I’d like to ask you to allow us some time to get things settled.
>
>>
>> As I say, I don't want to impose more work on you because of my outre'
>> ethical views. I would like to solve this problem by providing a
>> patch that causes debiman to copy its source and its git history to
>> its own output. That way you would have to do nothing.
>
> To help me understand the implications of such a patch, can you point
> me to an existing implementation of such a patch in another service
> please?
>
>>
>>> > If we created a pseudopackage in the Debian bug system, would you use
>>> > it instead ? It's one thing to use github as a generic git hosting
>>> > server but I really don't want us to be constructing our issue tracker
>>> > data in github's databases.
>>>
>>> I personally find the Debian bug system very uncomfortable to use. I
>>> will begrudgingly accept reports made via the BTS, as I do for the
>>> Debian packages I maintain. I don’t want to give up using GitHub’s
>>> issue tracker, though, for my convenience and the convenience of our
>>> users.
>>
>> Using github as well is up to you. I won't try to talk you out of it.
>> But I think for a service in the .debian.org namespace, bugs should be
>> reportable without interacting with a proprietary web service.
>>
>> So thank you for agreeing to work with a system you don't find
>> comfortable. You'll see that I have filed a bug against b.d.o
>> requesting the manpages.debian.org pseudopackage.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> --
>> Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> These opinions are my own.
>>
>> If I emailed you from an address @fyvzl.net or @evade.org.uk, that is
>> a private address which bypasses my fierce spamfilter.
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Michael
--
Best regards,
Michael
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