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Re: Trademark issues (Was: kronatools_2.7+dfsg-1_amd64.changes REJECTED)

Hi again,

I admit I feel a bit blocked.  Should I simply upload with another
possibly improperly choosen name and wait for ftpmaster comments to the
upload in new?  It seems this topic does not deserve any additional
input and thus I might take this potential detour without further
discussion. :-(

Kind regards


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 09:21:06PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 12:43:37AM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Andreas Tille writes ("Re: kronatools_2.7+dfsg-1_amd64.changes REJECTED"):
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your torough checking. As discussed long ago[2]
> > > 
> > >   "KronaTools" may work, since the actual trademark is just
> > >   "Krona". You could also use "Radiant", which was the original name
> > >   (and still in SourceForge with a redirect). We avoided Radiant so
> > >   our name could be trademarked, but you wouldn't have that problem
> > >   I'm guessing.
> > 
> > The upstream you are dealing with, here, clearly don't really
> > understand trademarks very well.
> ... which makes a perfect match between me and upstream.  I naively
> assumed that the argument given by upstream should be valid to combine
> two quite generic words is something else than a trademarked word.
> > If "krona" is trademarked (and that
> > DHS page claims it is) then "kronatools" would clearly be a breach.
> > 
> > You'll have to call it something without the word "krona" in.
> I simply have to trust your insight here.
> > > It would help to hear other opinions before trying another upload to
> > > new: What name do you think is a proper name for this project in Debian.
> > 
> > I haven't been able to figure out what this program does.  Your links
> > don't give your own Description and the upstream say:
> > 
> >   Krona Tools is a set of scripts to create Krona charts from several
> >   Bioinformatics tools as well as from text and XML files.
> The ITPed package description reads:
> Description: explore hierarchical metagenomic data with zoomable pie charts
>  Krona allows hierarchical data to be explored with zoomable pie charts.
>  Krona charts include support for several bioinformatics tools and raw
>  data formats. The charts can be viewed with a recent version of any
>  major web browser.
> The Wiki page[1] has some enlightening examples.
> > Either this is circular, or "Krona chart" was a medical (or
> > medico-informatical) term before this software existed and it
> > shouldn't have been trademarked (although I doubt anyone wants to
> > fight that).
> I do not think that there was an older term before that should have
> preventing the trademark (and even if I personally would not midn
> fighting these horrible law fights).
> > radiant-diagnostic or something maybe ?  (I see there is also a Ruby
> > CMS called "radiant".)
> I think radiant-graphs might come closer even if I doubt that there is
> much confusion between the CMS and this tool and if its not packaged
> there should be no clash.
> I'd like to hear a word from ftpmaster if I rename the source and binary
> package as well as the Git archive - would this be accepted for the next
> upload.  Some kind of confirmation in advance would be helpful to do
> more negotions right now and not after another round in the new queue.
> Kind regards
>       Andreas.
> [1] https://github.com/marbl/Krona/wiki
> -- 
> http://fam-tille.de


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