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Re: Can we kill net-tools, please?



On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:09:35PM +0000, Wookey wrote:
> Yeah I think that mess is why I've never felt any need to move away
> from ifconfig. I ran ip something a few times, went 'huh?' at the cryptic
> output and stayed with the rather more civilised /sbin/ifconfig.
> 
> So it seem that the output does actually label things, but the things
> and labels look exactly the same. Would some colons really have hurt
> too much?
> 
> i.e. mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 
> is really
> mtu: 1500  qdisc: mq  state: UP  mode: DEFAULT  group: default  qlen: 1000 
> 
> Anyone think the latter is a tad clearer? I still don't know what a
> qdisc is or a default group, but it's a lot easier to find things I do
> recognise. Before this discussion I just saw it as a mysterious jumble
> of 10 things (after a set of things in CAPITALS that were somewhat
> mysterious too (what's a LOWER_UP, I wonder) - who knows what it might
> mean.

Do you really think that

wlp3s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
        inet 192.168.**  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.**
        inet6 fe80::**  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>
        ether e4:**:ca  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
        RX packets 66323088  bytes 90518262611 (84.3 GiB)
        RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
        TX packets 18425793  bytes 2920636610 (2.7 GiB)
        TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

is clearer than 

3: wlp3s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state UP group default qlen 1000
    link/ether e4:***:ca brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168**/24 brd 192.168.** scope global dynamic wlp3s0
       valid_lft 70216sec preferred_lft 70216sec
    inet6 fe80:**/64 scope link 
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

?


To me they are the same. Note that ifconfig too has cryptic uppercase jumble
and cryptic lowercase jumble and doesn't have any separators between field
names and values.

-- 
WBR, wRAR

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