On 02/16/2015 at 07:47 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:42 AM, Christian Seiler > <christian@iwakd.de> wrote: > >> Am 16.02.2015 um 02:54 schrieb Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton: >> >>> http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ >> >> It's funny that when Wheezy (not Jessie!) came out, nobody >> complained that libsystemd-login0 (which is now part of >> libsystemd0) was as a dependency of dbus, so it is probably already >> installed on most desktop systems running current Debian stable. > > i'll hazard a guess that it's because they had no idea that, in the > very near future, all the major desktop developers and all the major > distros would make the unilateral decision to hard-code the > *exclusive* use of systemd (or parts of it). > > my assessment is that it's that total lack of choice that is causing > people to get so upset. but there's no need to get upset about it: > *we didn't know*. nobody could have predicted how far this would go, > so quickly. > > so the question then becomes: at a fundamental level (in a > distro-agnostic way) how to go about giving people a proper choice > (to run systemd and associated components, or not)? As Russ pointed out in a thread on -project last month: either revive ConsoleKit, or reimplement logind in a way which isn't dependent on systemd, and do either or both in a way which is acceptable to all relevant upstreams (including PolicyKit). Adam Borowski already mentioned consolekit2 and loginkit, which sound like attempts to do exactly those two things. I don't know how successful they would be, but that would be the path to take. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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